Jesus was a protestant

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Ahimsa said:
“protestant” (lower-case ‘p’): A person who protests against something; a protester, an objector.Matthew 23: Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
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Well, I suppose that’s what the Catholics get for making silly etymological arguments about the meaning of “Protestant” as a polemical ploy!:rolleyes:
 
Ahimsa said:
Get in line. 😃

I’m glad that you are now a protestant.
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I’d be really, really mad at you if that wasn’t so funny.

I want to say something like “Get behind me Satan” or something like that, but I’ll just go eat another fun size Snickers out of the big orange plastic pumpkin instead.

-Tim-
 
Let’s call Protestants the Non-conformists instead or just plain Wrongists:eek:
 
I get your point.

Yep, Jesus protested, therefore he was a protestant. We are all protestants, since we protest against sin. 😉
 
Contarini said:
Well, I suppose that’s what the Catholics get for making silly etymological arguments about the meaning of “Protestant” as a polemical ploy!:rolleyes:
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Uh, Catholics also have an episcopalian church in the sense that they use bishops.😉 Just joking around, had to do it…
 
Ahimsa said:
You’re referring to ‘big-P’ Protestant. This thread is about ‘small-p’ protestant. Jesus was not Protestant, but He certainly was/is protestant.
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You are arguing for arguments sake. Hurray for you, you are so smart. Get a life and stop wasting peoples time!
 
gubernova said:
Uh, Catholics also have an episcopalian church in the sense that they use bishops.😉 Just joking around, had to do it…
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Next you will probably say there is a method to our religion, making us Methodists.
 
actually…he was a Jewish man who may have protested some things…but a Jewish man living under Roman rule at the time.
 
gubernova said:
Uh, Catholics also have an episcopalian church in the sense that they use bishops.😉 Just joking around, had to do it…
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Wardog said:
Next you will probably say there is a method to our religion, making us Methodists.
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gubernova said:
We also evangelize…so therefore…😃
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And we have presbyters, so does that makes us Presbyterian?

We should probably just call ourselves the universal church, no? Or did someone already take that name?

-Tim-
 
Ahimsa said:
“Reformer”, “liberal”, are not part of the definition of a “protestant”.

Again, I quote:

“protestant” (lower-case ‘p’): A person who protests against something.

Jesus protested against the hypocritical actions of many, not just Pharisees:

Mark 11:15ff:
15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’c]? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’d]”
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Sorry, Jesus was not protesting anything like you are trying to say. Jesus was God and was there when the Law was written and give to man. He was not protesting as protestants protesting against the church. Remember many times he was say…you have heard it said…I tell you. And the people would marvel as he spoke with authority.

Jesus was correcting man’s mis-application of what God/He had given them. He was not
protesting anything. If you want to play word games…he was corrected those who were puffed up and playing relgious games with the Law/Word of God. He did not like those who played games trying to shake the faith of His children or leading them astray.

Mark
 
Ahimsa:

you make a fatal mistake: you repeated over and over again your proposition that Jesus was a “protestant”
your biggest flaw is that repeating the same statement over and again does not make it true.

You are confusing the meanings of the word “protester” and the word “Protestant”. in modern English the word Protestant is one I have only ever encountered with the specific religious meaning of identifying the ecclesial communities of Christians who separated from the Catholic church during the Protestant Reformation in the Middle Ages.

A “protester” is a person who protests. (against something / someone.)

Yes the two words have similar etymological roots - but VERY different symantec meanings.

Therefore by your argument you could say that Jesus was a protester - and we could argue about that until the cows come home - as even that point is hotly debated in the above thread. (and one on which I am ambivalent)

I accept that there is a valid argument to be had on whether Jesus is a Protester

For your substitution of the word Protestant I declare you a Troll!
 
anruari said:
in modern English the word Protestant is one I have only ever encountered with the specific religious meaning of identifying the ecclesial communities of Christians who separated from the Catholic church during the Protestant Reformation in the Middle Ages.
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Please consult a good dictionary, like the OED. Lower-case ‘protestant’ can mean ‘one who protests against something’.

For reference, I quote this statement from 1986, in which the OED shows how ‘protestant’ can refer to ‘a protester’:
1986 *[Jrnl. (Fairfax County, Va.) ](javascript:void(0))*27 May A4/2 (advt.) “Within five (5) days of receipt of any Notice of Protest, Company shall serve upon each protestant a copy of all materials now or hereafter filed.”
 
Ahimsa said:
Please consult a good dictionary, like the OED. Lower-case ‘protestant’ can mean ‘one who protests against something’.

For reference, I quote this statement from 1986, in which the OED shows how ‘protestant’ can refer to ‘a protester’:
1986 *Jrnl. (Fairfax County, Va.) *27 May A4/2 (advt.) “Within five (5) days of receipt of any Notice of Protest, Company shall serve upon each protestant a copy of all materials now or hereafter filed.”
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Okay I am consulting my “Websters Collegiate Dictionary”:

Protestant:
  1. a: one of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edit of the Diet of Spires in 1529 intended to surpress the Lutheran movement.
    b: a Christian denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth.
    c: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church.
    2: one who makes or enters a protest.

Protestant adj:
1: of or relating to Protestants, their churches , or their religion.
2: making or sounding a protest.​

When making a declaration of a definition, one should take the entire definition, rather than being selective, in such a way as to leave out the other explanations. If you remain selective then this is what you end up with.

Jesus was a protestant therefore he is a German Prince.
Or Jesus was a protestant therefore he is a City. :eek:

Clearly this is not so.
 
Jesus did protest so in a way he was a “protestant” but that’s not the point how do you think Martin Luther earned this name. He protested the Catholic Church created his own and replace scripture with blasphemous things.
 
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