"Jesus was a socialist" -- rebuttal

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Arghhhh. So much misunderstanding in this thread…
  1. If you’re forced to give things away, it isn’t charity. It’s robbery.
  2. If you’re forced to give things away to the government, it isn’t charity. It is taxation. And as the prophet Samuel warned the Israelites, having a central government means giving the government control over your kids, your fields, your work, and everything you do. Keeping Caesar from getting what is God’s becomes a big problem very quickly… even if your particular Caesar is King David, or King Solomon.
  3. Koinonia, the Greek word for “communion” or “fellowship,” is also the word for “corporation, partnership.” St. Peter’s fishing company was a “koinonia” of equal partners.
  4. There are a few people out there who cannot support themselves, and it is supposed to be our privilege to provide for them through personal charity. In Jesus’ time, the normal procedure was that any needy widows, orphans, etc. would be given alms (money, food, clothing, etc.) every week at the synagogue, often at the communal meal after the service. It was the job of the “president” and the elders of the local synagogue to make sure that sufficient alms were given out.
Early Christianity seems to have provided for the poor in a similar way; and the gifts at the altar included the alms that would be given out later to the poor, so that the alms would be blessed and would come direct from God.

The only early Christian community that “shared their goods in common” was the one centered in Jerusalem, because Jesus had already predicted that Jerusalem would fall and they would all have to flee at a moment’s notice, losing everything.

Prophetically, it was a good move that paid off in 70 AD or so. Meanwhile, however, we see people like St. Paul raising money and sending food to the Jerusalem community from Christians outside the Holy Land, because without land and houses and property, Jerusalem’s Christians had a really hard time keeping clothed and fed. Things might have gone better, except that there were a few famines all across the Empire at various times.

In order to keep Jerusalem’s church community alive until the fall of Jerusalem, the rest of the Christian world had to work hard, and keep their properties working too. This is also the way religious orders that depend on charity work: other people help them out.
 
Now, I’m not saying that the religious orders living by Providence haven’t been given a blessed way to live, or that helping out a religious order depending on Providence isn’t a blessed thing to do. But not everybody can do it. God makes you do a lot of work before He starts applying miracles of multiplication – and trying to do it as a secular government and economic system is madness! Nobody forces you into a religious order and makes you vow poverty, chastity, and obedience; but socialism is all about forcing everybody to do whatever the government tells you, and having nothing for your own. Even your kids belong to the state. (And I could say more.)

Living by charity is living by outside help.

Economic (“economia” – householding arrangement) systems have to work entirely inside themselves, with outside help only counting as a windfall surprise.

Sharing is about cutting up a fixed pie. That is why a system of nothing but sharing leads to poverty and stagnation.

Economic development is about making bigger pies, constantly experimenting with different kinds of fruit and different recipes. It is not destroying anybody’s lemons; it is making them into lemonade and fish garnishes and scurvy cures. It is using God’s gifts to the full, instead of letting them go to waste out of ignorance and laziness.

And if you want economic development to happen, you have to have an incentive that is more powerful than boredom, sleepiness, or exhausted muscles and brains. Money is an incentive that can be used to obtain just about every need, can be accessed almost anywhere, and can be changed up at a moment’s notice.

Buying and selling is a way that people can show their interest in the new pies – while letting the piemakers concentrate on pie, instead of having to run a subsistence farm and do everything for themselves. Socialism cannot let anyone do their own thing; but trade allows everyone to make their own lives, their own way.

God owns everything. He gives it all to us to use – but on conditions, as the Bible tells us all over the place.

Among those conditions, we must recognize that we do not own everything, and we cannot give anyone anything that we do not personally, individually own.

We are not God. Caesar is not God, either; and he is not all-knowing and all-wise enough to tell me what to do with my money and energy.
 
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The US wasn’t a country 500 yrs ago. It’s been a country for 239 yrs.
All the land belongs to God, we are all temporary custodians, we should look to share if fairly with all of God’s creation.
People have still been breaking into the borders of what is now the US for the last five hundred years. They may only have been claiming the land from God for the last 239 years, but in the end, we shall all have to stand before God.
 
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steve-b:
The US wasn’t a country 500 yrs ago. It’s been a country for 239 yrs.
All the land belongs to God, we are all temporary custodians,
Agreed with one qualification. We are not ALL equal custodians. Explained at the end
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Eric_Hyom:
we should look to share if fairly with all of God’s creation.
in essence, If everything belongs to everyone, then who determines who is a custodian of anything? And what does custodian even mean?

If everything fairly belongs to everyone, how can there be a commandment against theft.
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Eric_Hyom:
People have still been breaking into the borders of what is now the US for the last five hundred years. They may only have been claiming the land from God for the last 239 years, but in the end, we shall all have to stand before God.
What you are saying is, custodians really aren’t custodians, and even if they are, they have no authority. The world is just one big free for all.

What you describe is anarchy.
 
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Excellent!!! Why did this get flagged other than somebody needing nanny points?
 
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