Jesus was no Leftist

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goofyjim said:
It sounds to me like people here don’t want to pay taxes for social welfare programs but don’t mind at all forcing a system on the Muslims that they are entitled to resist. I’m actually feeling it’s time to pull out of the lost cause known as Iraq. Then we would have more funds to fix up the holes in the welfare systems instead of just cutting them back.
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That’s a very unkind remark. Please don’t read untruths into what posters here type. Taking people at their word, and not making up
hidden motives’ is an easier way of communicating with people.
 
goofyjim said:
But would Jesus approve of everything the political right is doing? They can pass budgets for wars but not for the poor in their own country. Tsk, tsk. While he may not have been a leftist he wasn’t an extreme rightist either. He came down right in the middle of everything.
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Keep in mind that “left” and “right” is relative (and I cringe to use the word “relative”) to the time. Jesus was liberal for his day and age. Keep in mind this was a day and age where you were stoned for adultery, not made famous by it. Pretty :ultra conservative" by today’s standards. I am certain if you were to lift Jesus out of the 1st Century and place him in the 21st Century, the Left today would accuse him of being right wing, trying to impose His morals on people. Also, in no way shape or form did Jesus “come right down the middle of everything.” Jesus wasn’t a “consensus maker” - he didn’t say “hey you’re both right - everybody’s ok - I don’t want to be accused of taking sides or rocking the boat! weeeeee!!!” Jesus was pretty controversial in His day, I believe He may have been executed for it or something.

Finally, check out the Federal Budget sometime. Military spending is absolutely dwarfed by social welfare programs (even now after bidget increases due to a war). The poor we will always have with us. It is our call and our duty to do what we can to help, but it is as inevitable as death and taxes.
 
goofyjim said:
It’s not only as long as I get mine. The majority of friends I have are those with disabilities who do not do drugs or alcohol or fit any of the unwanted situations you talk about. While these are not statistics they are what I witness on a daily basis. Whereas you just point to the ills of society and blame them on something that still is providing a good for many.
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I sense a lot of hostility from you.

The fact that some programs do good doesn’t negate the fact that the overwhelming impact of the “Great Society” has been disasterous to America. Nor do we need to do away with those programs that do good when we fix the problem.
 
vern_humphrey said:
I sense a lot of hostility from you.

The fact that some programs do good doesn’t negate the fact that the overwhelming impact of the “Great Society” has been disasterous to America. Nor do we need to do away with those programs that do good when we fix the problem.
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I think you guys are gonna have to agree to disagree.
 
catholicbuckeye said:
Keep in mind that “left” and “right” is relative (and I cringe to use the word “relative”) to the time. Jesus was liberal for his day and age. Keep in mind this was a day and age where you were stoned for adultery, not made famous by it. Pretty :ultra conservative" by today’s standards. I am certain if you were to lift Jesus out of the 1st Century and place him in the 21st Century, the Left today would accuse him of being right wing, trying to impose His morals on people. Also, in no way shape or form did Jesus “come right down the middle of everything.” Jesus wasn’t a “consensus maker” - he didn’t say “hey you’re both right - everybody’s ok - I don’t want to be accused of taking sides or rocking the boat! weeeeee!!!” Jesus was pretty controversial in His day, I believe He may have been executed for it or something.

Finally, check out the Federal Budget sometime. Military spending is absolutely dwarfed by social welfare programs (even now after bidget increases due to a war). The poor we will always have with us. It is our call and our duty to do what we can to help, but it is as inevitable as death and taxes.
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good points
 
Dale_M said:
Oh come on, be realistic. How much good could we do with $500 billion?
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Quite a lot – and in any case, better to spend it on improving our own society instead of on killing Iraqis, no?

The population of the US is 298.5 million. That much money is over $1500 per head – it may not sound like a lot to some, but for others it’s a sizable chunk of money. Further, if we assume Michael Zweig’s statistic that between 12 and 15 percent of our population qualifies as ‘poor’ is correct, that’s over $11,000 for every American living in poverty. No, it wouldn’t solve the problem, but it’s a step – and a far better use of our imaginary funds that are pushing the country deeper into debt every day.
 
Mirdath said:
and a far better use of our imaginary funds that are pushing the country deeper into debt every day.
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Yes, but by borrowing massive amounts of money from China, and paying interest on it, we are helping to develop the economy of a poorer nation than ourselves. Surely that is a good thing.
 
Mirdath said:
Quite a lot – and in any case, better to spend it on improving our own society instead of on killing Iraqis, no?

The population of the US is 298.5 million. That much money is over $1500 per head – it may not sound like a lot to some, but for others it’s a sizable chunk of money. Further, if we assume Michael Zweig’s statistic that between 12 and 15 percent of our population qualifies as ‘poor’ is correct, that’s over $11,000 for every American living in poverty. No, it wouldn’t solve the problem, but it’s a step – and a far better use of our imaginary funds that are pushing the country deeper into debt every day.
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How do we “improve our society” by getting even more innocent people killed in 9/11-style attacks?
 
goofyjim said:
Even John Paul II warned Bush that going into Iraq was a mistake. Ord do some of us forget that?
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Certainly not a point of papal infallability… History will be the judge - indeed - look how kindly it treated Lincoln.

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Sheeniac said:
Certainly not a point of papal infallability… History will be the judge - inddeed - look how kindly it treated Lincoln.
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Yet it gives me the right as a Catholic to be a conscientious objector. If the Pope was declaring it an unjust war does that not make it a moral decision which he is entitled speak on infallably?
 
goofyjim said:
Yet it gives me the right as a Catholic to be a conscientious objector. If the Pope was declaring it an unjust war does that not make it a moral decision which he is entitled speak on infallably?
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I think you have every right to be a conscientious objector, regardless of what the Pope says. If you look though, the Pope never comes down on the side of any type of war, violence, etc. Would JP2 have criticized the Bosnian action? Probably he did - I wasn’t Catholic back then.

And no, this is definitely NOT a case of faith and morals to be announced ex cathedra, infallibly. I’m sure that someone more well versed than I can explain it, if it was not a rhetorical question.

**Edited for spelling typo.
 
Assuming that being against the war is a leftist position is not entirely accurate. There are those on the right that are not in favor of the war.
 
I think I will take some time off from these forums. If the moderators are reading this please take me off the email list as well.
 
Mirdath said:
Quite a lot – and in any case, better to spend it on improving our own society instead of on killing Iraqis, no?
vern humphrey;2149082:
How do we “improve our society” by getting even more innocent people killed in 9/11-style attacks?
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I can’t believe any American still believes that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11

“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”
 
goofyjim said:
Even John Paul II warned Bush that going into Iraq was a mistake. Ord do some of us forget that?
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Even John Paul II warned Bush that leaving Iraq before the job was done was a mistake. Or do some of us forget that?
 
levi86 said:
I can’t believe any American still believes that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11
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I can’t believe any American still believes that Saddam had only good will for us, and would not support terrorism. We have plenty of evidence of support by Saddam for many terrorist organizations.

I can’t believe any American still believes that Saddam was in compliance with the terms of the truce, that he didn’t have illegal long-range missiles, or that he didn’t lock on and shoot at our patrolling aircraft.

I can’t believe any American still believes that terrorism is compartmentalized, and that if you leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone.
levi86 said:
“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”
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Have you considered taking your own advice?
 
vern_humphrey said:
I can’t believe any American still believes that terrorism is compartmentalized, and that if you leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone.
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I’m not sure what your getting at. Could you please elaborate?
BTW – your article is 3 years old.😛
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What relevance does that have? The contents of that article were accurate 3 years ago and are still accurate today. Perhaps you could show me a more recent article that shows that Saddam supported Al Qaeda?
 
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