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How to Read the Bible, Marc Zvi Brettler, Jewish Publication Society, 2005,
Philadelphia, 276 pages with Afterword and Notes.

The author is a Ph.D. in biblical and Near East studies and is a professor of same
at Brandeis University.

This is the Jewish version of an introduction to the Jewish Bible from the historical critical perspective.This approach is a “scientific”
one which treats the Bible as an ordinary book,
not divinely inspired, and studies it for its contents, its authorship, the value
of the book as history, etc. The historical critical approach is well known for
ripping the Bible to shreds, casting skepticism about it as history.

It can be very discouraging and perhaps even insulting to a lot of people of
Jewish and Christian faiths. The author declares himself, though, to be a devout
Jew, and thereby a man of personal faith.

This approach looks for all the clues that show how most of these books of the
Bible were written by multiple authors, display conflicting theological and
ethical viewpoints, were written long after the lives of the people they describe
and the events they portray.

But, some of these difficulties are embedded in scripture itself. When the Torah
(the “instruction” – the first five books of the Bible) gives conflicting
commands, you can read how a later writer simply chose one of the interpretations
to follow.

He closes with a short chapter on the origin of the Bible (i.e. the Jewish Bible).
He can’t find evidence that the Jewish Bible was closed until the first century
A.D. (or C.E. “the common era” as Jews like to say now). And, even then, there
were variant texts of the Bible, so that a single reference Bible was not agreed
on by Judaism until about 1000 A.D. (Although he doesn’t mention it, other JPS
books point out that a generally accepted English translation, the latest which
was to eliminate gender biases, was not completed until just a couple decades
ago.)

The evidence of all the different sources in scripture reveals a lot of diversity
of belief, hardly a monolithic set of beliefs in Biblical times, that many people
would like to assume.

In the book, the author takes a tour of the individual books (briefly) to
illustrate the results of historical critical analysis, for especially one
purpose, to unwrap the meaning of scripture.

One of his case studies is the book of Ruth. Ruth is a Moabitess who eventually
migrates to Bethlehem, marries a guy by the name of Boaz. She is not only a
gentile, but being a Moabitess (the book never describes her conversion to
Judaism, because there was no process of conversion in the supposed timeframe of
the story), she becomes an ancestor of the great king David (and, in the Christian
belief, an ancestor of Jesus).

Deuteronomy 23:4ff no Moabite should be admitted into the congregation of Israel
and that Israelites should not be concerned about their welfare or benefit as long
as they lived.

So, the story in Ruth shows a much more kindly treatment of Ruth than the
unequivocal command in Dt would seem to allow. So, this is an example of how
things “changed” or how differently they were viewed within Israel. This becomes
an object lesson for Judaism in a very big way. At one point Brettler says that
there is no official Jewish interpretation of any verse in the Jewish Bible.

Jews consider the book of Ester not only to be fiction, but comedy at that. It was
written to explain the Jewish celebration of the already-existing feast of Purim,
which is a very joyous feast. Elsewhere I read something about if the Jews were
not enjoying the feast of Purim, then they weren’t drinking enough wine.

There’s a lot of juicy things to read in here. He thinks that the Song of Songs
was a piece of popular literature that just got swept up into the Bible by
tradition. Perhaps only later, after the development of rabbinic Judaism, did
anybody try to rationalize that the book was an allegory of the relationship of
God and Israel.

Brettler is a co-editor of The Jewish Study Bible. I don’t have that. I may pick
that up to kill some time until the Ignatius Study Bible (Old Testament) comes
along.
 
I am not sure wherein your actual objection to the book lies. It is possible to be a devout Jew or Christian and approach the Bible “from below” through critical, literary, form, linguistic, and historical scholarship.

What matters for these believing scholars - when they are writing “from below” - is not the Bible’s inspiration, but its basic, essential human substructure, authorship, literary genre, etc. For them, the Bible does not lose its inspiration by being viewed through a critical-historical lens. Rather, viewing Scripture through this lens makes explicit the “how” of inspiration, while leaving untouched the separate category of God’s providential intiation of the inspiration. It’s a similar situation as relates to theistic evolution: knowing the “how” of God’s creation does not invalidate the claim that God did in fact create. God created through evolution. God inspired scripture through completely human vehicles who used their own social opinions and mores when writing down the inspired message.

So I don’t see a problem for a Christian or Jew using - and reading - critical biblical scholarship. The only problem would arise when critical scholarship goes too far into theology, and uses its findings to somehow cast doubt on or to “disprove” God’s inspiration of Scripture. Short of that, it seems to me that critical, “from below” biblical studies are helpful in understanding the awesome intricacies of what inspiration means for humankind … just as studying evolution is helpful in understanding the awesome intricacies of what theistic Creation means for humankind 🙂
 
How to Read the Bible, Marc Zvi Brettler, Jewish Publication Society, 2005,
Philadelphia, 276 pages with Afterword and Notes.

The author is a Ph.D. in biblical and Near East studies and is a professor of same
at Brandeis University.

This is the Jewish version of an introduction to the Jewish Bible from the historical critical perspective.This approach is a “scientific”
one which treats the Bible as an ordinary book,
not divinely inspired, and studies it for its contents, its authorship, the value
of the book as history, etc. The historical critical approach is well known for
ripping the Bible to shreds, casting skepticism about it as history.

It can be very discouraging and perhaps even insulting to a lot of people of
Jewish and Christian faiths. The author declares himself, though, to be a devout
Jew, and thereby a man of personal faith.

This approach looks for all the clues that show how most of these books of the
Bible were written by multiple authors, display conflicting theological and
ethical viewpoints, were written long after the lives of the people they describe
and the events they portray.

But, some of these difficulties are embedded in scripture itself. When the Torah
(the “instruction” – the first five books of the Bible) gives conflicting
commands, you can read how a later writer simply chose one of the interpretations
to follow.

He closes with a short chapter on the origin of the Bible (i.e. the Jewish Bible).
He can’t find evidence that the Jewish Bible was closed until the first century
A.D. (or C.E. “the common era” as Jews like to say now). And, even then, there
were variant texts of the Bible, so that a single reference Bible was not agreed
on by Judaism until about 1000 A.D. (Although he doesn’t mention it, other JPS
books point out that a generally accepted English translation, the latest which
was to eliminate gender biases, was not completed until just a couple decades
ago.)

The evidence of all the different sources in scripture reveals a lot of diversity
of belief, hardly a monolithic set of beliefs in Biblical times, that many people
would like to assume.

In the book, the author takes a tour of the individual books (briefly) to
illustrate the results of historical critical analysis, for especially one
purpose, to unwrap the meaning of scripture.

One of his case studies is the book of Ruth. Ruth is a Moabitess who eventually
migrates to Bethlehem, marries a guy by the name of Boaz. She is not only a
gentile, but being a Moabitess (the book never describes her conversion to
Judaism, because there was no process of conversion in the supposed timeframe of
the story), she becomes an ancestor of the great king David (and, in the Christian
belief, an ancestor of Jesus).

Deuteronomy 23:4ff no Moabite should be admitted into the congregation of Israel
and that Israelites should not be concerned about their welfare or benefit as long
as they lived.

So, the story in Ruth shows a much more kindly treatment of Ruth than the
unequivocal command in Dt would seem to allow. So, this is an example of how
things “changed” or how differently they were viewed within Israel. This becomes
an object lesson for Judaism in a very big way. At one point Brettler says that
there is no official Jewish interpretation of any verse in the Jewish Bible.

Jews consider the book of Ester not only to be fiction, but comedy at that. It was
written to explain the Jewish celebration of the already-existing feast of Purim,
which is a very joyous feast. Elsewhere I read something about if the Jews were
not enjoying the feast of Purim, then they weren’t drinking enough wine.

There’s a lot of juicy things to read in here. He thinks that the Song of Songs
was a piece of popular literature that just got swept up into the Bible by
tradition. Perhaps only later, after the development of rabbinic Judaism, did
anybody try to rationalize that the book was an allegory of the relationship of
God and Israel.

Brettler is a co-editor of The Jewish Study Bible. I don’t have that. I may pick
that up to kill some time until the Ignatius Study Bible (Old Testament) comes
along.
So what’s your question, or problem?
 
I’ve got the Jewish Study Bible - I rather like it, but then I’m an ancient history buff, so I also like the way the Bible narrative is contextualized in it. 🙂

If you didn’t like Bretter’s source-critical approach you may not like the JSB either; it’s got quite a bit of those types of notes in it as well.
 
So what’s your question, or problem?
There are so many questions that come up in this website, that I start a thread and put out a post on a book which I most likely have recently read, which is true in this case.

I wrote a post to summarize within my humble capacity the upshot or thrust of the book. In this case, it is that the book is written from a Jewish perspective and studiously employs the method of historical criticism.

The author’s point is that “you” have to take such and such problems, as he describes, into consideration in looking for meaning in each of the various books and writings in the Hebrew Bible.

Based on the language and content of many books of the Bible, it seems inescapable that many of the books were written by a number of people, not just a single author, for example.

This type of activity was undoubtedly done over a long period of time and the books were probably finalized at a much later date than we might think, owing to the content of the book.

As I read each additional book of commentary, I seem to learn something new – which I like, of course. But, this book confirms other commentaries that I have already read. I get some intellectual satisfaction out of that, that what I am reading is “generally accepted” and not some far-flung off-beat interpretation of scripture.

One of the issues of biblical researchers, particularly Jews, is to try to establish when did and how did rabbinic Judaism develop? Also, when is it obvious that writers in biblical times were aware of a “canonized” or generally accepted Torah, for example?

In the book of Job for example, God is mentioned and God speaks in the writings, but there is no mention of a Temple, a Torah, or the nation of Israel. So, those are data points that help the experts establish a possible timeframe when the book was written.

The author briefly highlights the differences in the book of Deuteronomy, from earlier books which present the “ten commandments” and discusses how Judaism handled the contradictions or variations between these books.

The study of such issues should enlighten the reader about these very issues and help move one forward in deepening of faith and moral life.

Or, in short, HEY, here’s a recent Jewish book for a general audience about understanding the Hebrew Bible, using the methods of historical criticism. It’s well-written, thoughtful, and may be helpful for someone in a lifelong study of scripture.

Nope, I guess I have no question or problem. Maybe, what other Old Testament commentaries are out there?
 
If Scripture shows that Jesus is the Christ, then by definition anyone who does not see that is not an authority, at least not a good one. It is a contradiction for a Christian to consider that a Jew is an authority on Scripture.
 
I It is a contradiction for a Christian to consider that a Jew is an authority on Scripture.
No it’s not. Scripture is an essential part of Judaism, as it is for Christians. So, of course, oth Jews and Christians have people who are authorities on their Scripture.
 
No it’s not. Scripture is an essential part of Judaism, as it is for Christians. So, of course, oth Jews and Christians have people who are authorities on their Scripture.
Remember though, that Jewish authorities interpret OT scripture in the light of the Old Covenant. Obviously, they reject Jesus as Messiah, and so there are major differences. This has gone so far in some instances as to insist that there are six qualifiers to be of the Line of David, and that Jesus met only two. How far do you travel with such thought, since it is problematic from its inception? Again, there are differences in Judaism just as there are in Christianity. Since Christians believe that all scripture points to Jesus, and Jews believe that it points to someone else who is purely human, I can’t see the gain from such discussions or study. Just know that Jewish scholarship may not lead you away from Jesus as much as it will lead you toward someone else.
 
No it’s not. Scripture is an essential part of Judaism, as it is for Christians. So, of course, oth Jews and Christians have people who are authorities on their Scripture.
Don’t forget that Muslims also have people who are authorities on OT scripture.
 
Remember though, that Jewish authorities interpret OT scripture in the light of the Old Covenant. Obviously, they reject Jesus as Messiah, and so there are major differences. This has gone so far in some instances as to insist that there are six qualifiers to be of the Line of David, and that Jesus met only two. How far do you travel with such thought, since it is problematic from its inception? Again, there are differences in Judaism just as there are in Christianity. Since Christians believe that all scripture points to Jesus, and Jews believe that it points to someone else who is purely human, I can’t see the gain from such discussions or study. Just know that Jewish scholarship may not lead you away from Jesus as much as it will lead you toward someone else.
His Holiness Benedict XVI recommends study of the Jewish insights into scripture. See the document from the Pontifical Biblical Commission, The Jewish People and their Scripture (JP&S), available in the EWTN document library.

I’m trying to understand the Old Testament, even just to have a better understanding of what is there, for starters. From two solid years of looking at Jewish commentaries, I’ve learned a lot about the literary structure of the books in the OT. I see that as a pre-requisite for a better understanding of the NT.

As Benedict says in JP&S, we*** can’t ***understand the NT without the OT.

I’m looking for (as it is said) the NT is hidden in the OT, the OT is fulfilled in the NT. I want to understand that better.

Certainly there is so much more in the NT. One feature that should not be overlooked, as it is a main subject of the NT, is the mysticism of the NT that we are called to. I didn’t make it all the way through (the late) Fr. Thomas Dubay’s** Fire Within**, and I’m wandering into it again. (I get intellectually dizzy with his roundabout way of exposition.) But, he points out how essential it is to come to grips with the full calling of the NT to believers and the heights of religious experience that we are promised as our lifelong spiritual journey continues.
 
I’m looking for (as it is said) the NT is hidden in the OT, the OT is fulfilled in the NT. I want to understand that better.
How is it that you think a Jew is going to show you the NT hidden in the OT? The only intention a Jew would have is to lead you away from the NT.

Jews have their own NT. It’s called the Talmud. They interpret the OT not as God intended, but in light of the Talmud. Are you qualified to recognize Talmudic bias in a Jewish commentary on the OT?

To compound your problem, Jews tend to be Atheists. They often approach even the OT with the intention of refuting it. This is boasted about in the article you posted. So, you want to read a book that has the intention of showing you the OT is fiction and that it doesn’t support the NT.

There are many good (and many bad) Christian books on reading and understanding the Bible. Most Christians could pay more attention to the NT for a better understanding of the OT.
 
Remember though, that Jewish authorities interpret OT scripture in the light of the Old Covenant. Obviously, they reject Jesus as Messiah, and so there are major differences. This has gone so far in some instances as to insist that there are six qualifiers to be of the Line of David, and that Jesus met only two. How far do you travel with such thought, since it is problematic from its inception? Again, there are differences in Judaism just as there are in Christianity. Since Christians believe that all scripture points to Jesus, and Jews believe that it points to someone else who is purely human, I can’t see the gain from such discussions or study. Just know that Jewish scholarship may not lead you away from Jesus as much as it will lead you toward someone else.
Yes of course, but such thoughts do not contradict my response.
 
How is it that you think a Jew is going to show you the NT hidden in the OT? The only intention a Jew would have is to lead you away from the NT.
No, that is not the only intention a Jew would have. Unless you know otherwise?
Jews have their own NT. It’s called the Talmud. They interpret the OT not as God intended, but in light of the Talmud.
I’ve never known any Jew to say the Talmud is their New Testament. Can you clarify?

And as far as I know, all Jews interpret their Scripture as God intended, as they understand God. Again, can you clarify anywhere Jews claim otherwise?
To compound your problem, Jews tend to be Atheists.
Nonsense. Jews believe in God (Yahweh). The God they believe in is witnessed to, for example, in their Scriptures, the same Scriptures the Catholics share that we call the Old Testament.

How can you possibly, seriously, suggest that Jews are atheists?

Thanks for any clarification.
 
I think steelpinwheel’s zealousness exceeds his/her rationality. Jews are not in the business of “leading” anyone away from the New Testament. Quite the contrary: all too many Christians try to lead Jews from the Talmud/Torah/Prophets into the New Testament, and worse, try to impose on Jews the doctrine of Supersessionism which states that the Church (contrary to what Paul said and what history records) is to replace Judaism.Usually embedded in this process is the nasty claim that the Jews are so stubborn, stiff-necked, and ignorant of their own scriptures that they “rejected their own Messiah” and ignored and misinterpreted their own “Messianic prophecies”.

Most such religious aggression, such as it is, mostly comes from over-evangelistic Christians whose perceived mission is to convert everyone, including Jews. Possibly the worst of these is “Jews for Jesus”-type evangelicalism. These otherwise sincere folks mistakenly imagine that they are practicing “original Jewish Christianity”, whereas they are only practicing Paulinism as pre-masticated in a fundamentalist Protestant blender. They are thus not really converting Jews to anything like the “original Jewish Christianity”, but rather into a subsect of Reformationist/Creationist fundamentalism. It’s no wonder that they are looked on with such mistrust, fear, and contempt by most of the Jews whom they have so prosyletized.

Also, steelpinwheel’s opinion of the Talmud is misinformed. There is a lot of good and not-so-good in the Talmud, but no non-practicing Jew or surveilling Gentile is really in a very good position to criticise the Talmud, or the Torah. As an interpretive guide to the Torah, the Talmud in its essential core goes back to the time of Jesus, and Jesus himself quoted from “Jewish tradition” as well as from Jewish scripture, thus using the Talmud, or at least a kind of proto-Talmud in his teaching.

And you’re right: if you want to know and study the Jewish Bible, you need to consult Jewish sources. That way, you will know what the Jewish Bible actually says, how it has been interpreted BY JEWS through the centuries, and find out how and why the Jewish faith differs so sharply in many major ways from the Christian faith. If you want to know about Catholicism, you wouldn’t go to Jewish or Protestant or atheistic sources - you’d go straight to Catholic sources. Same thing with Judaism: consult what their scriptures really say and mean, and read history and theology books written by and for Jews * first* - before you do anything else in the course of studying Judaism.
 
I think steelpinwheel’s zealousness exceeds his/her rationality. Jews are not in the business of “leading” anyone away from the New Testament. Quite the contrary: all too many Christians try to lead Jews from the Talmud/Torah/Prophets into the New Testament, and worse, try to impose on Jews the doctrine of Supersessionism which states that the Church (contrary to what Paul said and what history records) is to replace Judaism.Usually embedded in this process is the nasty claim that the Jews are so stubborn, stiff-necked, and ignorant of their own scriptures that they “rejected their own Messiah” and ignored and misinterpreted their own “Messianic prophecies”.

Most such religious aggression, such as it is, mostly comes from over-evangelistic Christians whose perceived mission is to convert everyone, including Jews. Possibly the worst of these is “Jews for Jesus”-type evangelicalism. These otherwise sincere folks mistakenly imagine that they are practicing “original Jewish Christianity”, whereas they are only practicing Paulinism as pre-masticated in a fundamentalist Protestant blender. They are thus not really converting Jews to anything like the “original Jewish Christianity”, but rather into a subsect of Reformationist/Creationist fundamentalism. It’s no wonder that they are looked on with such mistrust, fear, and contempt by most of the Jews whom they have so prosyletized.

Also, steelpinwheel’s opinion of the Talmud is misinformed. There is a lot of good and not-so-good in the Talmud, but no non-practicing Jew or surveilling Gentile is really in a very good position to criticise the Talmud, or the Torah. As an interpretive guide to the Torah, the Talmud in its essential core goes back to the time of Jesus, and Jesus himself quoted from “Jewish tradition” as well as from Jewish scripture, thus using the Talmud, or at least a kind of proto-Talmud in his teaching.

And you’re right: if you want to know and study the Jewish Bible, you need to consult Jewish sources. That way, you will know what the Jewish Bible actually says, how it has been interpreted BY JEWS through the centuries, and find out how and why the Jewish faith differs so sharply in many major ways from the Christian faith. If you want to know about Catholicism, you wouldn’t go to Jewish or Protestant or atheistic sources - you’d go straight to Catholic sources. Same thing with Judaism: consult what their scriptures really say and mean, and read history and theology books written by and for Jews * first* - before you do anything else in the course of studying Judaism.
Ran across this from another poster, “op guy” or somesuch name - and I just have to add this one further comment about that poster’s claim: "Just know that Jewish scholarship may not lead you away from Jesus as much as it will lead* you toward someone else."* If this insinuation means what I think it means, it doesn’t get worse than this - i.e., the notion that Jewish scholarship will lead us to… SATAN?? If so, this is just plain nuts. Jewish scholarship ought to lead you - if it’s theologically based scholarship - straight to the God of Israel, according to both Christianity and Judaism, the One, True God, the God of the patriarchs and prophets and the God of Jesus, John the Baptist, Jesus’ disciples, Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathea, Paul, the earliest Jewish Christian church. If you follow Judaism’s road, you will not find Satan, you will find the God from whom Jesus was sent, whom Jesus himself called “the only true God”, the loving Father of Abraham, the divine Covenanter with humankind, the world’s Creator, the champion of the marginalized, poor, disempowered and downtrodden. To insinuate that Judaism is satanic or leads to Satan is worthy of the worst Medieval anti-Jewish polemic. It certainly ought never to issue from sincere, informed Christian lips.
 
I think steelpinwheel’s zealousness exceeds his/her rationality. Jews are not in the business of “leading” anyone away from the New Testament. Quite the contrary: all too many Christians try to lead Jews from the Talmud
At least you know more about Jews than Vince. Are you a Jew and/or an Atheist (given your objection to Christianity and self-identified religion as “mystical seeker”)?
 
Translation: “Judaism doesn’t lead to Satan! How dare you blasphemy against the gods!”

I didn’t say anything about Satan.
 
At least you know more about Jews than Vince. Are you a Jew and/or an Atheist (given your objection to Christianity and self-identified religion as “mystical seeker”)?
I expressed no objection to Christianity so I don’t know what you’re talking about. I expressed objection to overly zealous evangelizers who tempt Jews away from Torah; objection to hypocritical Christians who fear “Jewish proselytization” while simultaneously trying to get Jews to abandon their faith; objection to the vicious Supersessionist view that claims Christianity replaced Judaism.

I am neither a Jew nor an atheist, although I wonder why your mistaken claim that I made objection to Christianity would propel you to conclude that I must be one of those two mindsets, whereas I could just as easily, equally, be Pagan, Agnostic, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Confucian, etc.
 
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