What does any of the sins of Man have to do with Christians becoming the chosen People of Christ.
On this account Torquemada urged the sovereigns to compel all the Jews either to become Christians or to leave Spain. To frustrate his designs the Jews agreed to pay the Spanish government 30,000 ducats if left unmolested. There is a tradition that when Ferdinand was about to yield to the enticing offer, Torquemada appeared before him, bearing a crucifix aloft, and exclaiming: “Judas Iscariot sold Christ for 30 pieces of silver; Your Highness is about to sell him for 30,000 ducats. Here He is; take Him and sell Him.” Leaving the crucifix on the table he left the room. Chiefly through his instrumentality the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.
My whole point is not to forget our sins committed in the past, or to brush them aside, but to avoid the same in the future. This is what the Catholic church has done since Vatican II, and they are to be commended for it, and not criticized for it.
But my point is, it is not the blame of the CC. IT was the People who made mistakes who were Catholic and brought the blame down on the Church.
I suppose we can differ about the definition of the ‘Church’, if it excludes the laity, there is some validity to what you are saying. Even if we define the ‘Church’ as the spiritual leaders of the church, the ‘Church’ is still not off the hook. There have been spiritual leaders of the Catholic church who committed crimes against the Jews. And yes, all of us laity and clergy combined have enough sin to go around. This is not a discussion of religious superiority over another, it is about facing the difficult truths about ourselves, and changing in whatever way we need to change.
How can anyone not love the Jewish People…you should define Jewish People; it’s as difficult as defining Christian and is highly politicized. I agree that Anti Zionism is likely a new guise of antisemitism. Besides, in our calling by Christ Jesus, we are advised and conditioned to love all people, sincere Jewish and Gentile Christians without bias, just as Jesus did.
Times were very different then. There was no such thing as separation of church and state (an American belief, btw). And the Jews were expelled from Spain on Aug. 3rd, 1492 (I know because some of my mother’s ancestors were Sephardic Jews who were in that number.)
I’m not denying that happened. The point I am making is that POPES did not order these things to be done, CATHOLIC MONARCHS did, and Popes often opposed their actions.
If anti-zionism is a new form of antisemitism, then how do you explain these ultraOrthodox Jews who are very anti-zionist?
Would you agree that we should also condemned the Italians today for the barbarism of their soldiers during the crucifixion? Why blaim the the Jews only? And please recall, that through OUR sins He was condemned and crucified.
I explain it as follows: one of them is the true enemy, one not. The label attached to either side is relative and not fixed.
I find it amazing and deplorable that people can overlook the theme that runs throughout both the Old and New Testaments. God’s Covenants are conditional.
Jews were expelled for purely political reasons. They were allies with the Muslims. They were friends of the enemy. Of course the King of Spain had the right, he was the King! He had the right to protect his Kingdom.
It is also very possible that some of my ancestors were the jerks demanding the inquisition.As an American I will defend Israel to the end. However, you are absolutely correct. One of my favorite movies is called “The Chosen” and it touches on this very subject. The Hasidim in this movie were very upset about the Zionist movement. An Orthodox Jew once told me that the Orthodox felt the creation of the State of Israel was an insult to God because Jews were supposed to wait for God to restore Israel.
I agree with you. What we are saying is nothing compared to the books of the Prophets. The language of those books is so strong I am surprised they are not called anti-Semitic.