Jews--Christians--Muslims...same God?

[J_the_Centrist]

Namely Missy, a sneaky misinterpretation of the New testament is to suggest the comforter is somehow Muhammad which can be easily disproved if your willing to make the argument. Unless you agree that it isn’t Muhammad.

Yes, it is the Holy Spirit, we all know that! I have heard that argument in Muslim literature over the years and it is very easily disproved.

Nevertheless, Muslim misinterpretations of scripture are to be forgiven because they are not familiar with the context our scriptures are in, as most of us misunderstand theirs!

I understand Islam better than most Westerners and I can assure you that stereotypes about them worshipping a “moon god” or any other nonsense is totally untrue. They believe in the Eternal, as we do, along with the Jews. Just read the Quran, you will find the same prophets and ultimately the same God.

 

[nmgauss]

Yes, it is the Holy Spirit, we all know that! I have heard that argument in Muslim literature over the years and it is very easily disproved.

Nevertheless, Muslim misinterpretations of scripture are to be forgiven because they are not familiar with the context our scriptures are in, as most of us misunderstand theirs!

I understand Islam better than most Westerners and I can assure you that stereotypes about them worshipping a “moon god” or any other nonsense is totally untrue. They believe in the Eternal, as we do, along with the Jews. Just read the Quran, you will find the same prophets and ultimately the same God.

How could the triune nature of God be rejected by Muslims, yet they are worshipping the same God?

One of the main tenets of Christianity seems to be to glorify God. But in Islam, a main tenet is to surrender to the will of God?

Since God is widely believed to be ineffable, how can we know the true nature of God?

 

[MartinJordan]

Yes, it is the Holy Spirit, we all know that! I have heard that argument in Muslim literature over the years and it is very easily disproved.

Nevertheless, Muslim misinterpretations of scripture are to be forgiven because they are not familiar with the context our scriptures are in, as most of us misunderstand theirs!

I understand Islam better than most Westerners and I can assure you that stereotypes about them worshipping a “moon god” or any other nonsense is totally untrue. They believe in the Eternal, as we do, along with the Jews. Just read the Quran, you will find the same prophets and ultimately the same God.

The moon god thing I agree is nonsense. But the splitting of the moon by Mohammed seems a bit “out there”

MJ

 

[expounder]

The moon god thing I agree is nonsense. But the splitting of the moon by Mohammed seems a bit “out there”

MJ

That’s rich coming from a Christian, miracles are central to Christianity too, in case you have forgotten.

 

[expounder]

How could the triune nature of God be rejected by Muslims, yet they are worshipping the same God?

One of the main tenets of Christianity seems to be to glorify God. But in Islam, a main tenet is to surrender to the will of God?

Since God is widely believed to be ineffable, how can we know the true nature of God?

Well the 99 names of Allah certainly helps to understand the nature of God. But understanding God will always be impossible because our minds are simply too finite to understand and grasp the idea of God.

What is wrong with surrendering to the will of God? God created us so we are duty bound to obey him…

 

[expounder]

Yes, it is the Holy Spirit, we all know that! I have heard that argument in Muslim literature over the years and it is very easily disproved.

Nevertheless, Muslim misinterpretations of scripture are to be forgiven because they are not familiar with the context our scriptures are in, as most of us misunderstand theirs!

I understand Islam better than most Westerners and I can assure you that stereotypes about them worshipping a “moon god” or any other nonsense is totally untrue. They believe in the Eternal, as we do, along with the Jews. Just read the Quran, you will find the same prophets and ultimately the same God.

That’s right simple logic tells you that if God created everything, he cannot be confined to the moon especially since he is omnipresent

 

[J_the_Centrist]

That’s right simple logic tells you that if God created everything, he cannot be confined to the moon especially since he is omnipresent

Close to the point I was trying to make, but I will take it for what it is.

 

[MissyB786]

The moon god thing I agree is nonsense. But the splitting of the moon by Mohammed seems a bit “out there”

MJ

Just as Jesus(PBUH) performed Miracles, so to did Muhammed(PBUH) but only by the will of God, as they have no power, both are just men but Allah grants them these miracles to convince those.

Just as the previous prophets did, each having performed Miracles of their own ie Moses(PBUH) and Solomon(PBUH)

 

[MissyB786]

29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one(i.e. Allah); and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”

This is from the Quran to declare we worship the same God as in Judaism and in Christianity. And also shows how we should respect people of the scriptures.

I hope we can all share a mutual respect of one another and learning of each others differences.

 

[J_the_Centrist]

29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one(i.e. Allah); and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”

This is from the Quran to declare we worship the same God as in Judaism and in Christianity. And also shows how we should respect people of the scriptures.

I hope we can all share a mutual respect of one another and learning of each others differences.

See where I quote the Quran on page 24 and like I said if one of those quotes wasn’t in the Quran I’d assume that it was from some Christian theologian.

However, just as the New Testament and the Quran say, many people are going to remain in ignorance; many because they simply want to remain confined in it.

 

[MartinJordan]

That’s right simple logic tells you that if God created everything, he cannot be confined to the moon especially since he is omnipresent

Exactly how would God show his love for man by getting someone to split the moon. Does it help and benefit 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind?

MJ

 

[MissyB786]

Namely Missy, a sneaky misinterpretation of the New testament is to suggest the comforter is somehow Muhammad which can be easily disproved if your willing to make the argument. Unless you agree that it isn’t Muhammad.

Please do clarify, if I have misinterpreted it with explanation and evidence, it would be interesting to learn.

Who is the comforter then?

 

[MissyB786]

How could the triune nature of God be rejected by Muslims, yet they are worshipping the same God?

One of the main tenets of Christianity seems to be to glorify God. But in Islam, a main tenet is to surrender to the will of God?

Since God is widely believed to be ineffable, how can we know the true nature of God?

We have many tenants, Glorify God, submit to the will of God, because everything we have is because of God, good and bad. Good as a blessing and bad to test our love for Him. So yes I am submit to the will of God and also I try to Glorify God everyday, 5x a day actually in prayer.

 

[MissyB786]

Exactly how would God show his love for man by getting someone to split the moon. Does it help and benefit 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind?

MJ

This was the Jewish people that were asking for a Miracle, so they were given a Miracle the splitting of the Moon, which caused some of them to convert, but yet some remained in denial.

Just as Moses(PBUH) performed his miracles, the Pharoah and his followers still remained in denial.

But there are lots of other examples to show us God’s Mercy and love.

We have hadiths(events from the life of the Prophet), a woman was asked would she be able to throw her child into the fire, NO, so the Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) said Gods love for us, is greater than a mothers love for her child so how can God do the same.

 

[J_the_Centrist]

Exactly how would God show his love for man by getting someone to split the moon. Does it help and benefit 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind?

MJ

And they could say “why would Jesus “God’s Son” have to die on a cross”, you see it can go both ways. I am not attacking you, because I believe that Christian unity is very important, but attacking Islam is, well quite juvenile. Obviously they understand it better than we do. If you have read my previous posts you most likely didn’t grow up with Islam in your own household as I did and understand Islam as I do, but that doesn’t mean you should demean their faith.

I mean no offense towards you, I am only suggesting that you change your methods. Peace!!!

 

[MartinJordan]

Close to the point I was trying to make, but I will take it for what it is.

And what is it?

MJ

 

[J_the_Centrist]

And what is it?

MJ

I was responding to a post and making the point that we all believe in the same God, that is all. The poster mentioned only the “moon god” reference I made and applied it to the overall post, that is what I meant by “close” to what I meant.

 

[MissyB786]

See where I quote the Quran on page 24 and like I said if one of those quotes wasn’t in the Quran I’d assume that it was from some Christian theologian.

However, just as the New Testament and the Quran say, many people are going to remain in ignorance; many because they simply want to remain confined in it.

:thumbsup:Saw the quote, just a very long thread to scroll thru lolz

 

[MartinJordan]

And they could say “why would Jesus “God’s Son” have to die on a cross”, you see it can go both ways. I am not attacking you, because I believe that Christian unity is very important, but attacking Islam is, well quite juvenile. Obviously they understand it better than we do. If you have read my previous posts you most likely didn’t grow up with Islam in your own household as I did and understand Islam as I do, but that doesn’t mean you should demean their faith.

I mean no offense towards you, I am only suggesting that you change your methods. Peace!!!

I asked a question about Love. How is God’s love shown in having the moon split? Splitting the sea for the Israelites saved them. Now the moon? Tks.

MJ

 

[MissyB786]

I don’t know if we have concluded the thread that we all believe in the same God, or is there still some things that need to be clarified, else the thread could be endless.

If there were other queries, might be worthwhile making a different thread, because the topic of this one was whether or not we believe in the same God. Which we do.