Jews--Christians--Muslims...same God?

[Gabriel_of_12]

I posted from a 100% Islamic site.

searchtruth.com is it’s name -

If you have a problem with the tafsir context of the Sura, take it up with them.

FYI There exist’s a difficulty when a non-muslim interprets the Sura’s or Hadith of the Koran.

When ever a non-muslim places the Koran wirtings before them that interprets a truth which the Koran speaks of.

Every time, all the time the Muslim will always state to the contrary; “you wrongly interpret the Koran, because you are not Muslim, then they go on to accuse you, because you are not Muslim and cannot speak Aramaic, your interpretation of the Koran is wrong and you do not know what your talking about because you do not understand Islam”.

Due to Islam’s doctrine of Kithman (virtue to lie and decieve to protect Islam or the life of the Muslim), the Muslim is justified in rejecting your interpretation of the Koran. Nine times out of ten, watch the Muslim focus his attack on you not being Muslim to understand, at the same time the Muslim is protecting the Koran subject matter from being answered or addressed. By doing this the Muslim is obeying Muhammad.

The Media falls for it every time, and will make public, the false biggotry or prejudiced views of the non-Muslim revealed from the Muslim. This is what makes the headline not the topic or subject being taught from the Koran.

So what are we to believe?

In conclusion the CCC addresses the Muslim a living person not the Ideologies of Islam. The CCC addresses the faith of Abraham in God, when Abraham’s faith is professed and held by the Muslim is the one merciful God and mankind’s judge on the last day.

Between the CCC statement of Abrahams professed One God and the judgement, there is no speech from the CCC of the same God. Those who profess Abrahams faith and who believe God is the Creator is included in the plan of salvation, condemned or saved.

Muslims are human beings, Islam is never a person. The CCC addresses the humanity of all non-christians.** The CCC does not include or state their religious affiliations to be the same God we worship.**

Please consider this in your conscience that the Church is given the command and mission to proclaim Christ crucified to every people and tongue in every age until Jesus returns.

To object or reject the true context of the CCC reaching out to all non-christians to search and find a common ground in order to preach the gospel as St.Paul did at Athens addressing the “unknown diety” which the pagans worshipped is the God, Paul speaks of, is to resist the Mission Jesus gave the Church.

Peace be with you

 

[nmgauss]

When referring to the Quran or the Ahadith, it is useful to remember the context in which they were written. One of the main purposes of Muhammad was to promote Islam with the aim of improving life among the Arabs. Arab life before Muhammad was full of hardship and wars between tribes and blood feuds. So anything which detracted from Muhammad’s goals justified a brutal response. Brutality was a way of life in those days, so this was considered natural. His goal was to create harmony among the Arabs, and anyone that tried to throw a monkey wrench into his program was a mortal enemy. His ummah was the ideal.

 

[Little_Star_1]

I think that the problem could lie in the fact that so many people, and maybe without realizing it, get religion confused with God. Religion is for man. It is not the same thing as God. Before man and religion there was God. Therefore, it is entirely possible for different faiths to worship the one God. Religion sets out ideas and traditions related to worship. However, it still is not God. If this world should blow up and all human life cease, there will still be God but there will be no religion.

 

[doormouse73]

I think that the problem could lie in the fact that so many people, and maybe without realizing it, get religion confused with God. Religion is for man. It is not the same thing as God. Before man and religion there was God. Therefore, it is entirely possible for different faiths to worship the one God. Religion sets out ideas and traditions related to worship. However, it still is not God. If this world should blow up and all human life cease, there will still be God but there will be no religion.

i feel as a Catholic to say that God did send his only begotten son,to save mankind from sin.

God talked to Adam ,moses,God even came through his son Jesus Christ.no Angels but God…

 

[Little_Star_1]

i feel as a Catholic to say that God did send his only begotten son,to save mankind from sin.

God talked to Adam ,moses,God even came through his son Jesus Christ.no Angels but God…

In my earlier comment, which you quoted, I was not advocating the truth or lack of truth of any religion. I was only pointing out that people confuse religion with God. They also often confuse a particular church with God. God is the source of all. As the source, God does not need religion of any kind to be. God Is.

 

[nmgauss]

I think that the problem could lie in the fact that so many people, and maybe without realizing it, get religion confused with God. Religion is for man. It is not the same thing as God. Before man and religion there was God. Therefore, it is entirely possible for different faiths to worship the one God. Religion sets out ideas and traditions related to worship. However, it still is not God. If this world should blow up and all human life cease, there will still be God but there will be no religion.

Did God really care about dinosaurs? If so, why did he let them become extinct? Does God care about Earth without humans? How about all the deer, dolphins, sharks,whales, fleas, mosquitoes, tapeworms, ticks, black widow spiders, and scabies mites. Are they all God’s creatures?

 

[doormouse73]

In my earlier comment, which you quoted, I was not advocating the truth or lack of truth of any religion. I was only pointing out that people confuse religion with God. They also often confuse a particular church with God. God is the source of all. As the source, God does not need religion of any kind to be. God Is.

on that basis,how do you know they are worshiping the same God?

ive shown you how Jews and Christians worship the same God as each other.

you are not answering the question asked by the OP in your post…

 

[Little_Star_1]

on that basis,how do you know they are worshiping the same God?

ive shown you how Jews and Christians worship the same God as each other.

you are not answering the question asked by the OP in your post…

I answered it any number of times in previous posts. All three religions take their basis from Abraham. Muslims are descendants of Ishmael who received blessings along with Issac. Seriously, I have never ran into so many people that did not understand that all three religions have their genesis in Abraham.

MM, if the world were to blow up, everything would be gone. If the only living creatures capable of conceiving of God are gone, religion would be gone; yet, God would still be. God does not depend upon man, and his ideas regarding God, to be God. He is the Alpha and the Omega.

Again, I maintain that people just don’t want to see this no matter what is put in front of them. It isn’t that hard to understand. God is not bound by religion.

 

[Little_Star_1]

on that basis,how do you know they are worshiping the same God?

ive shown you how Jews and Christians worship the same God as each other.

you are not answering the question asked by the OP in your post…

I answered this many times in previous posts. Of course, my main source is the Bible where God tells Abraham that He will give a blessing to his son Ismael as well as one to his son Issac. The nation of Islam is the religion of Ismael’s descendants. But, here ya go:

religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm

lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/Three%20Abrahamic%20Faiths.html

islamicspain.tv/Three-Faiths-One-Land/TheAbrahamicFaithsJudaism,Christianity,andIslam.htm

pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/themes/religion/

promotingpeace.org/2006/2/norell.html

helium.com/items/2085920-similarities-and-differences-between-the-three-abrahamic-faiths

christianityinview.com/xncomparison.html

Finally, here ya go, news of the Pope giving recognition to the common origins of the three faiths. I suspect that if you really wanted to know the truth, you would not be on here asking for proof of something that has been a known fact for thousands of years. I believe that anyone that questions this is doing so because they seek divisiveness among people. Will you accept the actions of the Pope as the proper way forward?
articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-06/opinions/39789359_1_pope-francis-vatican-s-catholic-church
If you still don’t believe, I give up.

NM,

Seriously? If the world blows up, nothing will be left. However, just to entertain you, the creatures you listed are not capable of reason, at least we don’t know that they are capable of reasoning. So, they do not have the ability to contemplate their origins and trace them back to God.

Again, God is not dependent upon religion. Religion is not God but man’s concepts of God. God does not need religion or man to remain God. That said, I suspect you do understand something as basic as this and are just egging me on. Hey, what religion were Adam and Eve?

Peace be with you.

 

[Little_Star_1]

I Hey, what religion were Adam and Eve?

I intended this to be a rhetorical question. Please do not take it as me seriously asking a question. Debating this would get no where and mean nothing.

 

[nmgauss]

From Little Star:

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NM,

Seriously? If the world blows up, nothing will be left. However, just to entertain you, the creatures you listed are not capable of reason, at least we don’t know that they are capable of reasoning. So, they do not have the ability to contemplate their origins and trace them back to God."

Are you saying that if a creature is not capable of reason, then God did not create it?
Why did Noah load all those non-reasoning animals onto the ark? Also, if God did not create those creatures, who created them?

People who study the likelihood of abiogenesis have found that certain clays have a chemistry that is conducive to the formation of a few amino acids, which are the building blocks of protein. In the lab, these same researchers have demonstrated that, over time when stimulated by electricity, these few amino acids turn into new, more complex amino acids. If the world blows up, something will be left, namely those clays.

 

[daler]

So a friend of mine mentioned that Muslims do not believe in the same God as we Christians and Jews. Does anyone else have that belief and if so why? I posted this in the Non-Catholic forum because my friend is a Protestant. I am interested to hear if this is a universal belief within Protestantism or just his personal belief. Thanks

Arabic speaking Christians all believe in Allah.

Consider the sun. Whatever name we call it, it is that big shiny thing in the sky. Sun, Sol, Shams, etc. We can point to it and say thats what I mean when I say that word.

But nobody can point to God, Gott, Dios, Allah. It is apparent that we mean the same God.

Part of removing prejudice is acknowledging other people’s beliefs. It is a necessary step towards entering the way of the One Fold and One Shepherd
Even the Native Americans had the Great Spirit, which is obviously (at least to me)
the name of God to them. They also await the coming of the Sacred Hoop of All Nations. It is the same.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

I think that the problem could lie in the fact that so many people, and maybe without realizing it, get religion confused with God. Religion is for man. It is not the same thing as God. Before man and religion there was God. Therefore, it is entirely possible for different faiths to worship the one God. Religion sets out ideas and traditions related to worship. However, it still is not God. If this world should blow up and all human life cease, there will still be God but there will be no religion.

I follow your logic here, but disagree with your conclusions. Religion is the result or product from which God revealed Himself to humanity.

Every culture and age in some way recorded a religion or belief system in a supreme being =God or multiple gods.

The CCC addresses the many different revelations recorded by man that developed into different religions believing in a diety or dieties.

CCC 843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among the shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as " a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

CCC 844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them’
Very often, deceived by the Evil one, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair. (Romans 1:21,25)

CCC 845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church…The Church is “the world reconciled”. She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.”

The image of Noah’s Ark prefigured the Church which alone saves from the flood, in which eight persons were saved by water, which prefigured baptism that saves you now.
( 1 Pet 3:20-21God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.)

So religion is the result in which man believes God has revealed himself to man, or man has taken creation and dea-fied it, because creation has revealed itself to man, who makes it a false god in vain.

Jesus Christ taken on flesh of being born, sacrificial crucifixion, resurrection and ascencion into heaven revealed in the fullness of time solves the equation of all religions for which look to God. The Ark, the Church welcomes every people, nation, tongue and tribe into the Ark of the New Covenant through the baptism waters.

 

[nmgauss]

Arabic speaking Christians all believe in Allah

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Consider the sun. Whatever name we call it, it is that big shiny thing in the sky. Sun, Sol, Shams, etc. We can point to it and say thats what I mean when I say that word.

And the more we can study the Sun, the more we can agree that it is not a god and that it is the same for everybody. The ancient Egyptians worshipped the Sun as a god at about the same time as Abraham worshipped Yahweh. The Egyptians had more than one god and so did the ancient Jews. Was Abraham a Jew?

But nobody can point to God, Gott, Dios, Allah. It is apparent that we mean the same God.

Is it apparent? Since most people have never seen God, and different people have different experiences with God, how do we know for sure that God is the same for everybody? Also, how do we know that the nature of God as worshipped by the ancient Jews has the same personality as the God worshipped by the Christians?

Part of removing prejudice is acknowledging other people’s beliefs. It is a necessary step towards entering the way of the One Fold and One Shepherd
Even the Native Americans had the Great Spirit, which is obviously (at least to me)
the name of God to them. They also await the coming of the Sacred Hoop of All Nations. It is the same.

Are you intimating that the same religion was practiced by all 100 plus tribes of Native Americans when there was no scripture for them and no common language? They were animists, not monotheists.

 

[nmgauss]

I follow your logic here, but disagree with your conclusions. Religion is the result or product from which God revealed Himself to humanity. Every culture and age in some way recorded a religion or belief system in a supreme being =God or multiple gods.

So religion is the result in which man believes God has revealed himself to man, or man has taken creation and dea-fied it, because creation has revealed itself to man, who makes it a false god in vain.

How do you explain the atheist religions? God certainly did not reveal Himself to people of those faiths.

Also, how can a person believe a theologist when a false god is proclaimed? Doesn’t that reveal an intolerance of other people’s beliefs?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

=nmgauss;10857584]How do you explain the atheist religions? God certainly did not reveal Himself to people of those faiths.

Atheists are a religion. From their unity to reject the revelations of God, because they falsely make the creation around them their god. God has revealed himself through His creation. Yet Atheist will take creation for what they can see and touch as their god or what completes their intellect to believe carnally not spiritually. Besides most Atheists are Agnostics.

Also, how can a person believe a theologist when a false god is proclaimed? Doesn’t that reveal an intolerance of other people’s beliefs?

When does the person realize the theologist has proclaimed a false god? The Intolerance is a disposition one holds too inorder to hide Truth and not get exposed by Truth…Truth does not fear. That is why Jesus told his disciples, “They persecuted me, they will also persecute you”.

Truth is the light that exposes the darkness. Truth proclaimed in peace suffers willingly for those under a false god.

 

[nmgauss]

Atheists are a religion. From their unity to reject the revelations of God, because they falsely make the creation around them their god. God has revealed himself through His creation. Yet Atheist will take creation for what they can see and touch as their god or what completes their intellect to believe carnally not spiritually. Besides most Atheists are Agnostics.

When does the person realize the theologist has proclaimed a false god? The Intolerance is a disposition one holds too inorder to hide Truth and not get exposed by Truth…Truth does not fear. That is why Jesus told his disciples, “They persecuted me, they will also persecute you”.

In actuality, there is no faith called atheism. Eastern religions include a few that are atheists, such as Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, and Confucianism. These religions focus on ways of living rather than belief in a supernatural being. For the most part, there is no focus on God, because it is largely irrelevant.

In “They persecuted me”, who are they? The Romans or the Jewish priests? The persecution was related to power. Challenge to power resulted in persecution, as it often does.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

nmgauss;10857629]In actuality, there is no faith called atheism.

Agreed Atheism is a religion because they hold to different reasons (not faith) that reject God and or the revelaitons of God.

Eastern religions include a few that are atheists, such as Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, and Confucianism. These religions focus on ways of living rather than belief in a supernatural being. For the most part, there is no focus on God, because it is largely irrelevant.

I have to disagree with you here, because each of these Eastern religions reach for the supernatural through creation seeking an enlightenmen. Their focus on living is a rejection of the natural so as to reach and be the supernatural (enlightenment) that is a higher living than the natural human emotions and characteristics. They take their enlightenments from creation. Even re-incarnation. I know westerners who practice these religions do not see them as no focus of God. But their founders places an emphasis on making creation their dieties.

In “They persecuted me”, who are they? The Romans or the Jewish priests? The persecution was related to power. Challenge to power resulted in persecution, as it often does.

Who are they? first the religious, then the particular religious (legal) sects, then the secular authorities, Jesus own disciple Judas betrayed Him, while Peter denied Him three times. Men and woman of His own people spit and hit him to include rejected Him. The lie relates it to power. Truth was on trial not power. Jesus possessed the power to call down heaven and thunder any time, power was not the reason Jesus was persecuted. The Lie is what the Jews, the Herodian Kings felt their power threatened, when it was Truth = Jesus exposing them of their lies.

The world persecuted Truth = Jesus, because Truth shed light on our darkness (sins), so it was our sins who persecuted and crucified Jesus Christ, and we hid our sins behind our power the lie, pretending it was threatened we used it to persecute and crucify our dear Lord Jesus Christ who has the power to take life and resurrect life.

Who ever brings this Light in the world, will be persecuted because the giver of light and life was persecuted first.

Peace be with you

 

[Miss_Felicity]

Same God, All feel that they are descendent of Abraham.

 

[Little_Star_1]

From Little Star:

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Are you saying that if a creature is not capable of reason, then God did not create it?
Why did Noah load all those non-reasoning animals onto the ark? Also, if God did not create those creatures, who created them?

People who study the likelihood of abiogenesis have found that certain clays have a chemistry that is conducive to the formation of a few amino acids, which are the building blocks of protein. In the lab, these same researchers have demonstrated that, over time when stimulated by electricity, these few amino acids turn into new, more complex amino acids. If the world blows up, something will be left, namely those clays.

I said nothing of the sort. My whole point had nothing to do with the nature of Creation. Actually, I was saying the complete opposite of what you claim I said.

I was illustrating that God exists even if the world COMPLETELY ends. If the world ends, blows up, is obliterated, and ALL would then be destroyed, indeed the Earth were to no longer be part of the universe, Earth is gone, no humans of any type of race, creed, nationality, etc., no animals, no bugs, no gnats, spiders,horses, donkeys, monkeys,squirrels, ants, flies, trees, bushes,grass, rivers, oceans. Do you get what I am saying now? NOTHING KNOWN AS EARTH OR RELATED TO EARTH would be in existence. Still,

God would be God.

God does not need our religions. Have you read the Book of Job? God gives a pretty good talk on this to Job.