Jews who became Catholics: some commonalities

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No, I doubt that’s what it was…I met her at a social event, and when I heard her name, I asked, “Oh, are you also Jewish?” Her face registered a look of disgust when I asked that (which puzzled me), and then she said, “I’m NOT Jewish, I am a Catholic!” Again, I was confused, so she explained (with a hushed voice) that she had been born Jewishm but became Catholic.

I was curious as to what made her convert out, but she seemed to not want to make much mention of her Jewish heritage, even though she spoke freely of her new status as a Catholic.

The whole thing just left a very funny taste in my mouth, and I have met other Jewish converts to Catholicism (and Eastern Orthodoxy) who acted similarly.

For some reason, Jews I’ve met who became “messianic” did not behave like this, and often seemed proud of their Jewishness (unless they act like that because they feel it helps them convert other Jews.)
I, too, have known some Christian Jews, who are anti-Semitic (go figure!). People who go out of their way to be “not Jewish”. It’s kind of sad.

One guy I know, however, now an Episcopal Priest (or was the last time I met him – if he hasn’t become RC by now), had a Damascus Road experience. He was just bowled over by a mystical experience that he KNEW was the Person of Jesus Christ.

He has NO axe to grind. He is not bitter or anxious about having come from a Jewish home. That said, he was raised in the Reform tradition: “we’re Jewish” – but we only go to Temple on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.
 
Well Edith Stein, the brilliant philosopher and teacher is a perfect example of true faith in Jesus. After reading the NT, she was angry at her mother for not showing her the NT about the Messiah, Jesus. She converted, became a Catholic nun, and died at Auschwitz. Wonderful story if given a chance to read it.
 
I, too, have known some Christian Jews, who are anti-Semitic (go figure!). People who go out of their way to be “not Jewish”. It’s kind of sad.

One guy I know, however, now an Episcopal Priest (or was the last time I met him – if he hasn’t become RC by now), had a Damascus Road experience. He was just bowled over by a mystical experience that he KNEW was the Person of Jesus Christ.

He has NO axe to grind. He is not bitter or anxious about having come from a Jewish home. That said, he was raised in the Reform tradition: “we’re Jewish” – but we only go to Temple on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.
I mentioned earlier in this thread, a woman I met many years ago at a social event…she was a Jewish woman who had converted to Catholicism. She REALLY hated Jews and anything Jewish. It truly scared me, because I’d never met anyone like that before.

Someone else at the event whom I knew well, and who evidently knew her, explained that she came from a very abusive family, and converting was her way of escaping from it. So it began to make sense.

Jews, especially, do not always convert to other religions out of pure motives. I have found in my 30 years of exit work that Jews who convert to religions such as Buddhism, do so because they seek a deeper spirituality than they felt they could find in mainstream Judaism. Also, because Buddhism seems to offer ways to practice compassion over the entire world, and not just within Jewish venues.

Jews who become mainstream Protestants often convert for the same reason they often convert to Catholicism: a desire to run away from their Jewishness. Such Jews are more likely to choose Catholicism over Protestantism, probably because historically, the RCC seems the least “Jewish” and the easier to become anonymous in, due to its size.

And sadly, there have been Jews who hated their families so much, that they felt joining the RCC provided better “shock effect” than a Protestant church might…perhaps also due to the terrible history between Jews and the RCC as well.

Historically, in countries where the RCC held sway, Jews often converted to advance their academic or business careers as well…because in many European countries in times past, unless you were Christian, you were blocked out of the best careers.

However, as much as I dislike the “messianic jewish” movement, I will say that so far, I have not met any Jews who converted to that movement who did so to run away from their Jewishness. This would be obvious, since that movement relies so heavily on external Jewish symbology, so it would be a poor choice for any Jew looking to hide or run away!

The more liturgical the church, and the worse of a history it has had with the Jewish people, the more likely that will be the religion a self-hating Jew will run to. This is perhaps one reason why I and many other Jews in exit work often look the most skeptically at Jews who join such churches, as opposed to groups like the MJs.

Incidentally, to see a movie about this very subject (Jews who become Catholic to run away from their Jewishness), see SUNSHINE starring Ralph Fiennes (1999). It illustrates this over the course of several generations of a Hungarian Jewish family.

It does have a good ending, though, but I won’t spoil it. 🙂
 
Well Edith Stein, the brilliant philosopher and teacher is a perfect example of true faith in Jesus. After reading the NT, she was angry at her mother for not showing her the NT about the Messiah, Jesus. She converted, became a Catholic nun, and died at Auschwitz. Wonderful story if given a chance to read it.
“angry at her mother”…hmmm…maybe you should read my other post then?

WHY should she be “angry at her mother” for not showing her the NT, when her mother was Jewish??
 
“angry at her mother”…hmmm…maybe you should read my other post then?

WHY should she be “angry at her mother” for not showing her the NT, when her mother was Jewish??
I gather she was just mad. You cannot comment if you haven’t read her life story. Perhaps she felt it was ‘hidden’ from her, a part of the bible that should be read…
 
If that is so, then why are there still Catholics who a) hate Jews and like to arrogantly call us “Christ killers”,
Hashem,
I’ve been reading this and other threads you have posted in with interest. I am horrified to read that you have been treated this way by Catholics–or anyone for that matter.
 
Hashem,
I’ve been reading this and other threads you have posted in with interest. I am horrified to read that you have been treated this way by Catholics–or anyone for that matter.
Well, I can turn it around also and say why do the Jews hate Christians so much? Because according to you, he ruined everything there was when he came. So there shouldn’t be one way here. Most Catholics I know like the Jews and some even give to Israel.
 
I gather she was just mad. You cannot comment if you haven’t read her life story. Perhaps she felt it was ‘hidden’ from her, a part of the bible that should be read…
I have read several books about Edith Stein, and a couple of books by her. In fact I still own a few of them.

I don’t recall her ever saying she was “angry” at her mother, but it still puzzles me as to why she would be angry at her mother for not showing her the NT. Since when is it the duty of a Jewish mother to show her Jewish daughter a copy of the NT??

Are Catholic mothers expected to show their Catholic daughters a copy of the Bhagavad-Gita?

But IF she did say that, it fits right in with the hatred of family that so many Jewish apostates are infamous for.
 
Hashem,
I’ve been reading this and other threads you have posted in with interest. I am horrified to read that you have been treated this way by Catholics–or anyone for that matter.
In fairness (and I don’t know if this means anything), the only Catholics whom I ever encountered antisemitism from were those of Irish-American extraction. Not once has any Italian Catholic, German Catholic, or even Polish Catholic ever said anything antisemitic to me.

So maybe its something unique to some Catholics of Irish extraction? I remember a rabbi telling me once that he always foudn the most antisemitism came from Catholic ethnic groups that were the most heavily Catholic in terms of devoutness. And the Irish are known for being very Catholic, so maybe that’s it.
 
Well, I can turn it around also and say why do the Jews hate Christians so much? Because according to you, he ruined everything there was when he came. So there shouldn’t be one way here. Most Catholics I know like the Jews and some even give to Israel.
Historically, there has been a very blood-stained history between the historical Christian church and the Jewish people. This is not something the Jewish people can just put behind us, because too often, history repeats itself and we need to learn from our history.

Get a good book on Jewish history for the last 2000 years and you will see what I am talking about (esp. as it concerns Europe, which is where most American Jews and American Gentiles historically hail from). If Jews do have a “persecution complex”, it is for a very good reason.

This is also a reason why, when Jews convert out who are not self-hating, they usually go to religions like Buddhism…because there is no historical baggage between Buddhism and Jews as there is with Christianity.
 
Well, I can turn it around also and say why do the Jews hate Christians so much? Because according to you, he ruined everything there was when he came. So there shouldn’t be one way here. Most Catholics I know like the Jews and some even give to Israel.
We should show respect for people of all religions, regardless of whether or not we think they respect us.
 
In fairness (and I don’t know if this means anything), the only Catholics whom I ever encountered antisemitism from were those of Irish-American extraction. Not once has any Italian Catholic, German Catholic, or even Polish Catholic ever said anything antisemitic to me.

So maybe its something unique to some Catholics of Irish extraction? I remember a rabbi telling me once that he always foudn the most antisemitism came from Catholic ethnic groups that were the most heavily Catholic in terms of devoutness. And the Irish are known for being very Catholic, so maybe that’s it.
I have sometimes seen intolerance (in general) in those who could be perceived as “very Catholic.” Actual Catholicism, though, is much less extremist than many in the Faith would believe.
 
In fairness (and I don’t know if this means anything), the only Catholics whom I ever encountered antisemitism from were those of Irish-American extraction. Not once has any Italian Catholic, German Catholic, or even Polish Catholic ever said anything antisemitic to me.

So maybe its something unique to some Catholics of Irish extraction? I remember a rabbi telling me once that he always foudn the most antisemitism came from Catholic ethnic groups that were the most heavily Catholic in terms of devoutness. And the Irish are known for being very Catholic, so maybe that’s it.
Holy Cow! I have never encountered poisonous anti-Semitism that rises to the level I have seen among Poles and Hungarians. Although I also know Poles and Hungarians WITHOUT a blinding angi-Jewish (also anti-Gylpsy) rage, I have been appalled at the bristling negative feelings among some acquaintances. Scare you to DEATH.
 
I have sometimes seen intolerance (in general) in those who could be perceived as “very Catholic.” Actual Catholicism, though, is much less extremist than many in the Faith would believe.
I agree with you on that…I’ve noticed that the same Irish-American Catholics who hate Jews, also hate African-Americans as well (either as much or more so). When my grandparents first came to this country, the Irish-Americans abused Italian-Americans badly too, and refused to even let them go to “their” (Irish) parishes!

I find that Catholics whio are GENUINELY religious (and not just acting like it) tend to be the most humble people.

To give one example, Gino Bartali, a champion Tour de France cyclist in Italy, was a very devout Catholic, who became more so after his brother died in a car accident.

Not only was he very devout, he acted as a volunteer courier for false identity papers to help rescue the Jews of Italy from the Nazis. He never spoke of his efforts after the war (even though he had risked his life to do what he did), until Jewish and Italian groups began publicizing his work and awarded him for it.
 
Holy Cow! I have never encountered poisonous anti-Semitism that rises to the level I have seen among Poles and Hungarians. Although I also know Poles and Hungarians WITHOUT a blinding angi-Jewish (also anti-Gylpsy) rage, I have been appalled at the bristling negative feelings among some acquaintances. Scare you to DEATH.
Maybe I was lucky; I only ran into Irish-American ones! There was not a really strong Polish community where I grew up, so maybe that’s why.

My grandfather came to America to escape Ukrainian Cossack pogroms, which in Russia would be carried out often, but especially around Good Friday and Easter Sunday. They would ride through Jewish villages, raping women, killing the men, stealing the children to be raised as Russian Orthodox Christians, and the like. So in my family, its the Ukrainians I always heard horror stories about (though one of my grandmothers was born in Poland, she died when I was 2 and so I never heard anything from her about what it was like there.)

But remember also, the last Pope before the current one, John Paul 2, was a VERY pro-Jewish man, and would never have felt the way many of his countrymen evidently do.
 
I agree with you on that…I’ve noticed that the same Irish-American Catholics who hate Jews, also hate African-Americans as well (either as much or more so). When my grandparents first came to this country, the Irish-Americans abused Italian-Americans badly too, and refused to even let them go to “their” (Irish) parishes!

I find that Catholics whio are GENUINELY religious (and not just acting like it) tend to be the most humble people.

To give one example, Gino Bartali, a champion Tour de France cyclist in Italy, was a very devout Catholic, who became more so after his brother died in a car accident.

Not only was he very devout, he acted as a volunteer courier for false identity papers to help rescue the Jews of Italy from the Nazis. He never spoke of his efforts after the war (even though he had risked his life to do what he did), until Jewish and Italian groups began publicizing his work and awarded him for it.
What a beautiful and inspirational example.
 
Maybe I was lucky; I only ran into Irish-American ones! There was not a really strong Polish community where I grew up, so maybe that’s why.

My grandfather came to America to escape Ukrainian Cossack pogroms, which in Russia would be carried out often, but especially around Good Friday and Easter Sunday. They would ride through Jewish villages, raping women, killing the men, stealing the children to be raised as Russian Orthodox Christians, and the like. So in my family, its the Ukrainians I always heard horror stories about (though one of my grandmothers was born in Poland, she died when I was 2 and so I never heard anything from her about what it was like there.)

But remember also, the last Pope before the current one, John Paul 2, was a VERY pro-Jewish man, and would never have felt the way many of his countrymen evidently do.
As my beloved MIL (may she RIP) used to say: There are good ones and bad ones in every bunch!

Now a little ethnic prejudice of my own: I never met anybody so negatively reactive to anything “new” in the food department as an Irishman. I served an Irish missionary nun, who had lived in Cairo for 12 years a plate of Greek hors d’oeuvres – feta cheese, stuffed grape leaves, olives, spanakopita – and she recoiled physically at the stuffed grape leaves and would not TOUCH them. When I asked her how she could have spent 12 years in Egypt without coming across stuffed grape leaves, she replied, “We had an Irish cook!”

Another Irish-American friend of mine won’t even allow the MENTION of raw oysters in his presence!

Now: back to topic.

Maybe Jews who become Catholics get cranky about their upbringing because the food of impoverished mittel-Europa is so awful. Check out Kosher fare today, in the age of the Baal Tshuva. Great food all over the place and barely a blintz to be found.
 
Now: back to topic.

Maybe Jews who become Catholics get cranky about their upbringing because the food of impoverished mittel-Europa is so awful. Check out Kosher fare today, in the age of the Baal Tshuva. Great food all over the place and barely a blintz to be found.
You’re a riot, LOL! Personally I like Eastern European Jewish food because I (partly) grew up on it. I also grew on up Italian food (made kosher, of course), because my mom was an Italian Jew.

Ever had a pizza knish? They are to die for, trust me! 😉
 
I’ve been active in exit counseling work for about 30 years, and because of this, over the past 30 years I’ve had to familiarize myself not only with other religions, but also their attempts at converting Jews.

I was recently reading over a website aimed at getting Jews to become Catholics, and the few stories they have there of Jews who converted are the same ones (with maybe 2 exceptions) I first read in the late 1970s, when I began exit counseling. This lead me to think the RCC has not been very successful with getting Jews to leave their faith and convert out.

But I have noticed something also: in more than a few cases, when a Jew converts, their sibling will convert also (I know of one case personally where this also happened, although one of the sisters later returned to Judaism.)****

I have also noticed that in many cases, such Jews often died a premature death. I’m not sure what that means, if anything, but I can think of several possibilities.I don’t think anyone dieing a premature death has anything to do with anything. It was just their time to die.

Has anyone else noticed these or other similarities?
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: We “Goyim” learned a long time ago that you never EVER walk up to someone you think might be Jewish because of his/her name or appearance, and ask “Are you Jewish?” You asked for it, and you got it, pardner.
The parents of my husband’s mother(his grandparents) were Jewish and escaped from the Holocaust with their year old daughter(my MIL)

My husband had an elderly man ask him if he was Jewish because he looked like the stereotypical Jew. Considering that the elderly man was Jewish, my hubby didn’t take any offense but was sort of proud.🙂
 
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