Jihadists Seize Iraq's Nineveh Province!

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The adviser capacity has always been an issue, thats a page out of the Kennedy playbook as is, “its up to them to solve their own internal problems”. They are there and in a awkward position of gathering intel, and they effectively through cooperation train and control the military, and behind the scenes may or may not work out. We don’t know that and never do.
 
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The seeming ease with which the Obama administration is accepting less-than-codified Iraqi legal assurances is fueling questions about how hard it pushed diplomatically in 2011 to secure those protections for a residual force.
theguardian.com/world/middle-east-live/2014/jun/23/iraq-crisis-isis-take-more-border-towns-live-updates

This can’t possibly be anything more than a presidential decision on Maliki’s part, not a parliamentary decision by whatever is left of Iraq’s parliament. That’s exactly what Obama rejected before, insisting on an act of parliament instead of a presidential agreement.

What an awful mess this is. Iran tells us to keep out. The Sunni states tell us to keep out. ISIS, of course, wants us to keep out. Maliki wants us to send over some planes to bomb ISIS. Who, besides Maliki, wants American help in this thing? Maliki is tight with Iran, so are we maybe going to send our fliers over there so Iran doesn’t have to?
 
From John Kerry:

“Our support will be intense, sustained,” and will be effective if Iraqi leaders unite to face the militant threat," he said.

With al-Maliki’s Shiite-led government losing more ground to ISIS, Kerry implored the leader to rise above “sectarian motivations” to become more inclusive and make the government more representative of Iraq’s population.

I’m just flabbergasted! Iraqi leaders were not buddies prior to Obama’s decision to leave Iraq, but they weren’t fighting each other either. Now they are fighting. Kerry says the U.S. will pull out all the stops if they unite.

Which they won’t, and he knows they won’t. I don’t know that the world has ever seen a more lame attempt to put a cover on the single worst policy decision of the 21st Century to date.
 
Iraq is not capable of stopping the Sunni aligned with Isis and they want Maliki out, and frankly I think he ought to go. Perhaps thats what the hold up is.
 
Iraq is not capable of stopping the Sunni aligned with Isis and they want Maliki out, and frankly I think he ought to go. Perhaps thats what the hold up is.
Is the answer to break up Iraq into a federation of three states:
Shiite (predominantly)
Sunni (predominantly)
Kurd (predominantly)
where minority rights would be respected in each of the three states making up Iraq?
 
Well I don’t know how Obama will be able to enjoy his summer vacation with all of these messes right now - Iraq, Syria, IRS, immigration, VA, and Bergdahl. Wonder if he has a trip planned in July to escape the heat with these messes. He is not going to be a happy camper if he has to stay in the White House everyday and face the problems.

The temperatures in Iraq must be high this time of year.

Anyone predict how this will end and when?
 
Is the answer to break up Iraq into a federation of three states:
Shiite (predominantly)
Sunni (predominantly)
Kurd (predominantly)
where minority rights would be respected in each of the three states making up Iraq?
Seemed like a plausible solution right along. Iran turned into a mess already, not that anyone expected much with that.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2014%2Fjun%2F22%2Firan-opposes-us-intervention-iraq-khamenei&ei=piypU77ONMySyASftIHwBg&usg=AFQjCNEWAcs9x5FJsYRDqOrr0_u9IWFDEg&bvm=bv.69620078,d.cWc

“We strongly oppose the intervention of the US and others in the domestic affairs of Iraq,” Khamenei was quoted as saying, in his first reaction to the crisis.

“The main dispute in Iraq is between those who want Iraq to join the US camp and those who seek an independent Iraq,” said Khamenei, who has the final say over government policies. "The US aims to bring its own blind followers to power since the US is not happy about the current government in Iraq. "

Khamenei said Iraq’s government and its people, with help of top clerics, would be able to end the “sedition” there, saying extremists are hostile to both Shia and Sunni muslims who seek an independent Iraq.

Earlier on Sunday Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani said some countries “feed terrorists by their petrodollars,” in a veiled reference to the Arab Gulf states, and warned that such support would come back to haunt them.

“Rest assured, tomorrow will be your turn. The barbarous terrorists will go after supporters of terrorism in the future,” said Rouhani.

How Sunni is Eastern Lebanon? Mostly Christian, the Sunni population is to the West.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDemographics_of_Lebanon&ei=RDCpU8qsJaXy8QGk1oDQBQ&usg=AFQjCNEwmzJHde7-CCD9zTsKCsz7kaNdOA

Lebanon Christians have been warning the US for years about this strident evil.
 
6 of the 19 members of parliament for Beirut are Sunni. Tripoli is becoming a hotbed of Sunni extremism, and Saida (Sidon) is Sunni majority. So there are more than a few Sunnis in Eastern Lebanon.
 
Well I don’t know how Obama will be able to enjoy his summer vacation with all of these messes right now - Iraq, Syria, IRS, immigration, VA, and Bergdahl. Wonder if he has a trip planned in July to escape the heat with these messes. He is not going to be a happy camper if he has to stay in the White House everyday and face the problems.

The temperatures in Iraq must be high this time of year.

Anyone predict how this will end and when?
He was able to go to bed when our Embassy was under attack and former navy seals still in harms way-I doubt if a few thousand dead Iraqis is going to ruin his vacation
 
6 of the 19 members of parliament for Beirut are Sunni. Tripoli is becoming a hotbed of Sunni extremism, and Saida (Sidon) is Sunni majority. So there are more than a few Sunnis in Eastern Lebanon.
Thanks
 
Is the answer to break up Iraq into a federation of three states:
Shiite (predominantly)
Sunni (predominantly)
Kurd (predominantly)
where minority rights would be respected in each of the three states making up Iraq?
Kurdistan is pretty much a given at this point
 
Kurdistan is pretty much a given at this point
It is a real possibility. Massoud Barzani, who is president of the Kurdistan region region, had some interesting things to say to Kerry today.

This is from an AP news article:

**Kurdish leader warns US that Sunni insurgent advances have created a ‘new reality’ in Iraq
**
Barzani’s support will be crucial for resolving the political impasse because Kurds represent about 20 percent of Iraq’s population and usually vote as a unified bloc.

Barzani told Kerry that Kurds are seeking “a solution for the crisis that we have witnessed.” But, he said, “we are facing a new reality and a new Iraq.”

Barzani did not explain what he meant by a “new Iraq,” but he was apparently referring to the fall under Kurdish control of Kirkuk and other areas in northern Iraq that Kurds have long sought to incorporate into their self-rule region. Other Kurdish officials have even raised the possibility of pressing for independence, although that is opposed by the U.S. and neighboring Turkey.
usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2014/06/24/kerry-back-in-iraq-meeting-with-kurdish-leader
 
I have listened to a number of interviews of Sec. Kerry today. It sure doesn’t sound like there is a plan to get the territory lost to ISIS back. But the attack, if any starts, may start in Syria where ISIS permanent camps were.

All US Senators being briefed tonight at 5pm ET. We will hear more tonight … maybe.
 
It is a real possibility. Massoud Barzani, who is president of the Kurdistan region region, had some interesting things to say to Kerry today.

This is from an AP news article:

**Kurdish leader warns US that Sunni insurgent advances have created a ‘new reality’ in Iraq
**
Barzani’s support will be crucial for resolving the political impasse because Kurds represent about 20 percent of Iraq’s population and usually vote as a unified bloc.

Barzani told Kerry that Kurds are seeking “a solution for the crisis that we have witnessed.” But, he said, “we are facing a new reality and a new Iraq.”

Barzani did not explain what he meant by a “new Iraq,” but he was apparently referring to the fall under Kurdish control of Kirkuk and other areas in northern Iraq that Kurds have long sought to incorporate into their self-rule region. Other Kurdish officials have even raised the possibility of pressing for independence, although that is opposed by the U.S. and neighboring Turkey.
usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2014/06/24/kerry-back-in-iraq-meeting-with-kurdish-leader
I think he assumes ISIS will be his neighbor for awhile and Iraq will be that country further south.
 
Gilliam do you believe we will see a new caliphate?
If you mean by caliphate, a state of all the Sunni Muslims ruled by an elected leader; then no. I don’t think we will see it in our lifetimes. If you mean a state of fanatics who proclaim themselves a caliphate, then that is much more likely.
 
If you mean by caliphate, a state of all the Sunni Muslims ruled by an elected leader; then no. I don’t think we will see it in our lifetimes. If you mean a state of fanatics who proclaim themselves a caliphate, then that is much more likely.
Ok. Thanks for distinguishing.
 
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