Joe Arpaio: Barack Obama birth proof 'may be forged'

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Nec5 said:
You’re wasting your time arguing about definition. Technically, conservatives are really regressives because they want to return many things to the way they were. Then you get into things like classical liberal (challenge the status quo) vs classical conservative (preserve status quo). Heck, even the word “gay” no longer means happy or playful. It’s really a lost cause.

Just take the war issue. A traditional conservative would have wanted us to declare war, get in there and kick some tail with brutal overwhelming force, and then get out. The “conservatives” didn’t do that, did they? So who changed the definition? And does it even matter once the press begins repeating these narratives and redefinitions? Look at the word “Christian”. You’ve got churches claiming that Christ was not divine or the son of God but was a good guy. Therefore, that somehow counts as “Christian”. It’s all twisted.

I would prefer something like American Christian traditionalist, but that’s not a label likely to stick. It’s too long for one thing. I would center the label, whatever it is, on principled positions that are unchanging. Long ago, I used to think the Party Platforms did that, but that whole process is a sham.

It is not “conservatism” that has gone off the rails. It is the establishment types who prefer expediency over principle that have betrayed the root values that conservatives have traditionally espoused.
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Thanks for explaining to me why the conservative shoe never fit. I’m for *constantly *challenging the status quo to make things better. No idea why anyone would consider that traditional ways are necessarily the best, but I guess to each his own. Sure does explain some of the views of this thread though…
 
seekerz said:
Thanks for explaining to me why the conservative shoe never fit. I’m for *constantly *challenging the status quo to make things better. No idea why anyone would consider that traditional ways are necessarily the best, but I guess to each his own. Sure does explain some of the views of this thread though…
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“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.” —G.K. Chesterton
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
We aren’t discussing that coo-coo madness. We were discussing why ordinarily sane people would even think of buying into Joseph Farah’s obsession.
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you seem like a relatively intelligent person. don’t you think it odd that we are not allowed access to any records from obama’s past - like school, passport, adoption.
it is not an obsession. you must be worried that there is really something they are hiding or you would not be treating it with so much sarcasm.
 
7_Sorrows said:
you seem like a relatively intelligent person. don’t you think it odd that we are not allowed access to any records from obama’s past - like school, passport, adoption.
it is not an obsession. you must be worried that there is really something they are hiding or you would not be treating it with so much sarcasm.
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To treat it seriously would imply that I think it a serious topic. I’d treat the supposedly faked moon walk actually done in Arizona with equal lack of seriousness and equal sarcasm.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.” —G.K. Chesterton
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Great quote! 👍
 
7_Sorrows said:
you seem like a relatively intelligent person. don’t you think it odd that we are not allowed access to any records from obama’s past - like school, passport, adoption.
it is not an obsession. you must be worried that there is really something they are hiding or you would not be treating it with so much sarcasm.
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What is odd is that anyone would be interested in knowing what the lunch menu was in the month Obama started kindergarten…:rolleyes:

Have you demanded access to those records for past presidents? Ever verified their grades, perused their vacation albums for evidence of photo-shopping, done background checks on their grade school crushes or vetted their collection of home videos for authenticity? If not, I’d say you have a lot of work to do before getting on this president’s case.
 
seekerz said:
Thanks for explaining to me why the conservative shoe never fit. I’m for *constantly *challenging the status quo to make things better. No idea why anyone would consider that traditional ways are necessarily the best, but I guess to each his own. Sure does explain some of the views of this thread though…
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Well, not every single traditional way. It doesn’t mean some of the obvious horrifics from the past: slavery, no electricity, no taco bell, etc…🙂
 
Nec5 said:
Well, not every single traditional way. It doesn’t mean some of the obvious horrifics from the past: slavery, no electricity, no taco bell, etc…🙂
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I’m not opposed to tradition myself, as long as it either contributes to the common good or at least does not detract from it. What I’m opposed to is becoming so wedded to the montage of ‘how things are supposed to be’, that we lose the willingness ability to take individual principles and apply them to specific situations/scenarios. In the process, tradition may end up substituting for doing what is best/possible/necessary.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
To treat it seriously would imply that I think it a serious topic. I’d treat the supposedly faked moon walk actually done in Arizona with equal lack of seriousness and equal sarcasm.
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meanwhile, don’t you think other leaders around the world aren’t wondering why the media seems to NOT want to discuss these issues? this not only affects our country, but the rest of the world. maybe american citizens aren’t the only ones wanting answers.
 
seekerz said:
What is odd is that anyone would be interested in knowing what the lunch menu was in the month Obama started kindergarten…:rolleyes:

Have you demanded access to those records for past presidents? Ever verified their grades, perused their vacation albums for evidence of photo-shopping, done background checks on their grade school crushes or vetted their collection of home videos for authenticity? If not, I’d say you have a lot of work to do before getting on this president’s case.
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actually, other presidents have been quite open with their past. i am sure if the shoe were on the other foot and these questions were being asked of a conservative in office, the media would be all over it. but since it is one of their pet democrats, the issue will be ignored and those who want the truth will be made out to be conspiracy theorists. they definitely made a big deal about john mccain’s place of birth.
 
7_Sorrows said:
meanwhile, don’t you think other leaders around the world aren’t wondering why the media seems to NOT want to discuss these issues? this not only affects our country, but the rest of the world. maybe american citizens aren’t the only ones wanting answers.
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No, I don’t believe they are wondering or that the rest of the world gives a fig. If the leaders of the world were so wondering, they haven’t let on yet, and world newspapers aren’t full of stories about how our President is a Manchurian Candidate Kenyan or Indonesian Moslem. I think they’re smart enough to attribute this to all-too-common American conspiracy theories.

I may be wrong, but I believe that our country is the world capital of whaky theories.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
No, I don’t believe they are wondering or that the rest of the world gives a fig. If the leaders of the world were so wondering, they haven’t let on yet, and world newspapers aren’t full of stories about how our President is a Manchurian Candidate Kenyan or Indonesian Moslem. I think they’re smart enough to attribute this to all-too-common American conspiracy theories.

I may be wrong, but I believe that our country is the world capital of whaky theories.
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Believe me, the leaders of other foreign countries are well aware of the questions surrounding our president.
 
7_Sorrows said:
What are they supposed to do? As long as WE don’t do anything, they have to go along with the program.
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No, they don’t. They can make their concerns public given that they are affected by what goes on in the U.S.A.
 
7_Sorrows said:
actually, other presidents have been quite open with their past.
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Really? Name me one president who has handed over his personal documents (school, passport, adoption) to be vetted and verified in a court of law. If you can’t, at least tell me how many presidents were asked to make those public and whether they did.

Your signature contains some good advice that could bear some following. 15 pages of raising questions just for the sake of raising questions?

I have one question: what evidence would it take to satisfy your curiosity and how can you guarantee that the criteria won’t change once that evidence is presented (like it did after the long form BC was published)?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Perhaps they don’t care, because he is exactly the kind of President they want in the White House.
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And perhaps some of us have too much time on our hands. I was brought up on the maxim that an idle mind is the devil’s workshop.
 
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