Joe Biden Denied Holy Communion

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Not enough time or space to discuss all of this here. But what you will get is the Divided States of America which I’m not sure is in everyone’s best interests.
 
ForeverLearn said:
Render unto Caesar…
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things that are his, not things that belong to God such as life of newborn babies.
godisgood77 said:
I stand by my comments… I find it sad that some of our priests feel compelled to weaponize the Eucharist.
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Much better to let people “eat and drink their damnation” as Church Fathers called it, right? Denying Eucharist to public unrepentant sinner does good to him (on various levels) to others (on various levels) and what is even harmful in that? I would actually like to get denied Eucharist if I were ever in such state and needed a wake-up call in such way… I often do not go to confession when I feel like I do not have enough contempt for my sins nor do I feel like giving up on them, solely because such confession would be invalid. Receiving Euchart unworthily is not invalid, it is outright dangerous to soul. Priest has a duty to protect Eucharist as well as Biden.
ForeverLearn said:
Abortions will not go to zero if it is illegal either.
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Neither did slavery, neither did murders, nor thefts… should we make them legal?
 
ForeverLearn said:
Not enough time or space to discuss all of this here. But what you will get is the Divided States of America which I’m not sure is in everyone’s best interests.
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The Framers of Constitution intended for most issues to be voted on by each individual State

The only things that States cannot independently vote on are the rights expressly provided in Constitution (freedom of speech, right to bear arms, right to not subject to unreasonable search, etc).

So most issues are handled that way (murder laws are handled differently each State, traffic laws, zoning laws, environmental laws, the list is endless)
 
Well Catholicism supported slavery for all of those years. It is unpopular but the bible appears to be pro-slavery. So was Christianity according to Frederick Douglass who spoke movingly of Christianity’s complicity in 1846:
Revivals in religion, and revivals in the slave trade, go hand in hand together. (Cheers.) The church and the slave prison stand next to each other; the groans and cries of the heartbroken slave are often drowned in the pious devotions of his religious master. (Hear, hear.) The church-going bell and the auctioneer’s bell chime in with each other; the pulpit and the auctioneer’s block stand in the same neighbourhood; while the blood-stained gold goes to support the pulpit, the pulpit covers the infernal business with the garb of Christianity. We have men sold to build churches, women sold to support missionaries, and babies sold to buy Bibles and communion services for the churches. (Loud cheers.)
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Relativism has existed throughout history, no matter how loudly people want to shout.
 
ForeverLearn said:
I think erring on the side of freedom is usually the safer bet, when in a deep gray area.
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Abortion is not a deep grey area any more than slavery was a deep grey area. No, not grey at all. All that is needed is to look at the matter from the vantage point of the person most directly affected.

We are Catholics. We are supposed to err on the side of protecting the lives of vulnerable people whose lives have been deemed someone else’s property or as existing for the sake of someone else’s happiness or fulfillment or as having superfluous lives that deserve to be subordinated to someone else’s goals and needs.
 
ForeverLearn said:
Well Catholicism supported slavery for all of those years. It is unpopular but the bible appears to be pro-slavery. So was Christianity according to Frederick Douglass who spoke movingly of Christianity’s complicity in 1846:
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If things are as you claim, then why do you oppose slavery so much and despise abortion so little?
 
ForeverLearn said:
Well Catholicism supported slavery for all of those years.
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First, “all” means you instantly lose argument since I can define one year where Catholicism did not support it and your point is null and void, however, for the sake of it… could you name a source where did Catholicism actually support slavery? Some Catholics did, no doubt, but did Catholicism do that?
 
Well, let’s get back on topic, if we can.

A priest denied the Eucharist to Joe Biden, as he is permitted (even obligated) to do according to Canon Law. Now the media is complaining about how “wrong” it is, and some here are siding with the secular world over the Church.

What more is there to say?
 
Willing_Spirit said:
Oh, haha, no worries
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Actually, I went back and made an edit. It is not good for people to avoid receiving Holy Communion when it is intended to help them avoid sin and advance in holiness. There are times it ought to be avoided, just as there are times when taking food by mouth ought to be avoided, but those are very serious.
 
Strawman. And as I said and will say only once more…I’M DONE discussing abortion. No way someone’s views can be discussed on a limited Internet forum.
 
Oh, was I too subtle then?🤔 I am not arguing so much as wondering how anyone knows. We have no idea what other people’s sins are, or how often they go to confession as opposed to how often they are required to go. Just because you don’t see people when you are there doesn’t mean they don’t go.

But politicians that spout their beliefs are either lying about them to gain votes, or going against their faith in some cases. For those that are public about being Catholic and pro-abortion, that’s a problem for them.

If they change their view again, they need to announce that as publicly as they declared themself pro-abortion.
 
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