Joe Biden Vows National Mask Mandate if Elected President

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Meh, assuming the science supports their decision, it is their decision.
 
I wonder if Joe Biden also wants mandating masks for electronic communication?

It is tough to tell because the media is too busy asking him soft-ball questions
about how he FEELS
about Trump
instead of asking about issues that are affecting Americans.

Wisconsin state agency tells employees to wear masks during Zoom calls, even if home alone​

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Wisconsin state agency tells employees to wear masks during Zoom calls, even if home alone World News
The ridiculousness of these OVERBEARING Government people know no bounds. . . . (Whaaat! No mask requirement with phone calls??!!) . HEALTH Published 3 days ago Last Update 2 days ago Wisconsin state agency tells employees to wear masks during Zoom calls, even if home alone State workers urged to set safety example for others By Daniella Genovese | Fox News Moms create coronavirus solutions for kids: Why they say their PPE face shields are more effective than cloth masks Little Lives …
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Cathoholic said:
Wisconsin state agency tells employees to wear masks during Zoom calls, even if home alone
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This is a good example of how an agenda-driven organization like Fox News can distort a story by stripping it of all its nuance and grossly oversimplifying it to a ridiculous extent. So, what is the really story? It is this:

The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources ordered masks to be work at all DNR facilities. Of course this order does not apply to DNR employees working from home. Nor does it apply on Zoom calls when DNR personnel have intradepartmental meetings. So far so good. The rule that raised eyebrows at Fox News (or more likely, filled them with glee at an opportunity to poke fun) was the rule that when Zoom meetings are with the public or others outside of the DNR, the employees are asked to wear masks during those calls only in an effort to send a consistent message to those outside of the department. Does this make sense? Yes, of course it does. People from outside the department may not realize that some people in the Zoom meeting are in their home office. The appearance of some wearing masks and some not wearing masks would undermine the public’s confidence in the state’s commitment to a mask mandate for indoor gatherings or public spaces. But of course Fox News is not going to go into those details because that would make it much harder for them to sell this as an outrageous example of government silliness, which they were apparently able to do quite well by leaving out all that nuance. The next time anyone sees a Fox News story about government excess, find out the details yourself. Fox News is going to hide them from you. But it is possible. In fact it is super easy - barely an inconvenience.
 
LeafByNiggle . . .
the employees are asked to wear masks during those calls only in an effort to send a consistent message to those outside of the department. Does this make sense? Yes, of course it does.
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Thanks Leaf for making my point.
 
I wonder if Joe Biden also wants mandating masks for electronic communication outside of departments for “good examples”?
 

Joe Biden Admits Own National Mask Mandate Proposal Is Unconstitutional​

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KYLE OLSON

7 Sep 2020

Joe Biden admitted on Monday that his own proposed national mask mandate is unconstitutional.

Biden has repeatedly called for a federal mandate, often using it as an example of what he would do differently about the coronavirus than President Trump, whom Biden claims “failed to act.”

But he told CBS 5 in Arizona, “There’s a constitutional issue whether the federal government can issue such a mandate.”

He added, “I don’t think constitutionally they could, so I wouldn’t issue a mandate.”

On Wednesday, he denied ever calling for a mandate and claimed he was a “constitutionalist.”. . .

During the Democratic National Convention, Biden explicitly called for a national mask mandate.

“We’ll have a national mandate to wear a mask,” he said. . . .
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Joe Biden Admits Own National Mask Mandate Proposal Unconstitutional

Joe Biden admitted to an Arizona TV station on Monday that his own proposed national mask mandate is unconstitutional. | Politics
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Leave it to Breitbart to distort the truth to any extent needed to make their political points. Here we see Breitbart attempting to show Joe Biden contradicting himself, or proposing something which he himself says is unconstitutional. Of course no such thing happened. But how can Breitbart convince us that it has? Simple. By distorting facts.

In the first posting we see the “report” that Biden vows to enact a national mask mandate if elected. But did he really? If you look deeper you find Biden actually said patriotic Americans should wear masks, and that states should issue the mandates for it. That is a long way from proclaiming and executive order or recommending Federal legislation. For another thing, Biden says “for the next three months, minimum”. When did he say that? August 20th. Three months later would be Nov. 20th, which is still two months before he would even take office. So obviously he was not promising to use his power to enact the mask mandate. But Breitbart wants you to think Biden is threatening to use his power to do something terrible, like reduce human suffering and misery.

In light of this understanding, the second Breitbart post - the one about the potential unconstitutionality of a federal mandate - is a nothing burger. Biden gave the correct response to a question - one that any constitutional scholar would know - that the mandate in question would likely not be appropriate as a Federal mandate. But Breitbart wants to confuse people into thinking Biden doesn’t know what he is talking about. Sorry, Breitbart. Some of us see right through you.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
that states should issue the mandates for it. That is a long way from proclaiming and executive order or recommending Federal legislation
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The effect would be the same, wouldn’t it? A mandate is a mandate, and he apparently supports one.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
that states should issue the mandates for it. That is a long way from proclaiming and executive order or recommending Federal legislation
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The effect would be the same, wouldn’t it? A mandate is a mandate, and he apparently supports one.
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The constitution is not about the effect. It is about the means. There are many effects that are just fine if achieved by states, but not so fine if those same effects are achieved by Federal means.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The constitution is not about the effect. It is about the means. There are many effects that are just fine if achieved by states, but not so fine if those same effects are achieved by Federal means.
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Not the point. Biden favors mandatory wearing of masks. It hardly matters what he thinks the mechanism should be.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
The constitution is not about the effect. It is about the means. There are many effects that are just fine if achieved by states, but not so fine if those same effects are achieved by Federal means.
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Not the point. Biden favors mandatory wearing of masks. It hardly matters what he thinks the mechanism should be.
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If your point is that Biden favors mandatory wearing of masks to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, that is what his own CDC and NIH also recommend. But Breitbart made a big deal out of the so-called contradiction. And as we see, there is no contradiction. It is just sound public health policy.

But if you want to see how Trump is handling this:

www.yahoo.com

Trump Orders Reporter To Remove His Mask At Press Briefing

"You're going to have to take that off," the president told Jeff Mason. The Reuters White House correspondent refused.
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(Trump orders a reporter to remove his mask during a press briefing.)

Not cool, Mr. President. Not cool at all.
 
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CDC does recommend wearing masks but does not recommend making them mandatory. At one time neither CDC nor WHO recommended them. There are still medical people who do not think they do any good.

Since at least two of the allegations in the Yahoo article are false, possibly the “take your mask off” part is too. It’s a shame that the Dem media can’t be trusted.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The constitution is not about the effect. It is about the means. There are many effects that are just fine if achieved by states, but not so fine if those same effects are achieved by Federal means.
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True. Now lets revive the 10th Amendment from its death bed and slash all Federal Government functions not specifically authorized in the Constitution.
 
Biden just admitted in an interview that such a mandate would be unconstitutional, and then proceeded to deny every suggesting that he’d pursue said mandate.
 
SuperLawyer said:
Biden just admitted in an interview that such a mandate would be unconstitutional, and then proceeded to deny every suggesting that he’d pursue said mandate.
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You are just repeating the same mistakes of the Breitbart article. Read my response to them. It applies perfectly to your comment.
 
It would be a good idea if it were legal and if it could be enforced. Otherwise, even with good intentions, it falls on deaf ears to most Americans, including those who do wear masks despite their inconvenience.
 
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