John 14:14

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Mike_from_NJ said:
Your responses were to questions about why God seemingly never cures those ailments which can’t resolve themselves on their own (like Down’s Syndrome and missing limbs). So if you’re saying now that God will at least sometimes cure ailments which affect functions not necessary for life, then you should address why when he does he never cures ones that nature can’t fix.

But you said yourself (at least now you have) that God doesn’t just cure those things which are necessary for life. Again, look at my previous post to you. Here’s a longer breakdown of what I said.
  1. There are those who claim that prayer cured them of things which impeded their functionality, while at the same time were not life-threatening.
  2. Included are people who said prayer allowed them to walk, use their arms, see, and hear where they earlier couldn’t.
  3. By 1 and 2 we can say that (assuming God and prayer were the catalysts for their recoveries) that God will sometimes give function and abilities to those who lack it if they pray for it.
  4. If 1, 2, and 3 above are true then the question of whether God could conceivably restore a function or ability does not rest on the type of function or ability.
  5. A person who has an eye ailment is just as blind as someone missing their eyes (whether lost or never born with them). People have claimed that prayer has restored their sight but no one has gained eyes through prayer.
  6. A person who has an ear ailment is just as deaf as someone missing their ears (whether lost or never born with them). People have claimed that prayer has restored their hearing but no one has gained ears through prayer.
  7. A person who is paralyzed from the waist down is just as immobile as someone missing their legs (whether lost or never born with them). People have claimed that prayer has restored their ability to walk but no one has gained legs through prayer.
  8. A person who is paralyzed from the neck down is just as incapable of holding something as someone missing their arms (whether lost or never born with them). People have claimed that prayer has restored their arm functionality but no one has gained arms through prayer.
  9. From 4 we know that God will in some cases restore function and ability to people, but 5 though 8 show that there appear to be limits to when God seems to answer such prayer. The dividing line between what prayers God answers is based on the nature of the ailment and not the function or ability said ailment prevents.
  10. That dividing line in 9 not coincidentally is that which the body can sometimes naturally fix. In other words, a person praying to a deity which does not exist or who does not pray at all will have the same divide as to what ailments can and can’t be cured.
Why does that divide exist for a God that is said to be limitless in power and has shown (based on numerous followers) to wish to restore function in the same way growing or re-growing body parts would also restore functionality?
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Good question. Does anyone have an answer?
 
adamhovey1988 said:
I have said this before, and I will say it again. Sometimes the answer is “no”. How is that “not all prayers are answered”? If someone prays for something horrible to happen to someone, would you really want they prayer to be answered in that way?
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Why is the answer always no to restoring limbs? (With the possible and questionable Azusa Street Revival from the early 1900’s) That’s all I want to know. Anyone have an answer?
 
Faith1960 said:
Why is the answer always no to restoring limbs? (With the possible and questionable Azusa Street Revival from the early 1900’s) That’s all I want to know. Anyone have an answer?
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Have you asked God for the answer to this question? Apparently other posters on this thread, myself included, do not know the answer. What if you are left not knowing?
 
davidv said:
Have you asked God for the answer to this question? Apparently other posters on this thread, myself included, do not know the answer. What if you are left not knowing?
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No, I haven’t. Perhaps I should.
 
Actually, there are many many pre-modern examples of limb restoration miracles. If you read enough hagiography of enough saints, you can read quite a few accounts of limb restorations. The most common one is the tongue, actually, but you get fingers coming back as well as feet, hands, arms, and legs. And then there’s St. Cosmas and Damian’s miraculous limb transplant operation, where the amputated leg guy had a weird dream about the doctor saints and woke up to find himself with a new living leg, transplanted from a recently deceased guy in the neighborhood. It’s one of the best known saint legends in all history, but people seem to have forgotten it. There are also miraculous prosthetic legends, but I’m not sure if those count.

Once you get to a technology level where people who lose limbs are not going to starve or die in other ways, you seem to get a lot fewer of these kinds of miracle testimonies. Of course, it could also be that people aren’t desperate enough now to pray for miraculous limb regrowth or replacement. Who knows?

But I keep seeing this “people never get limbs back” argument, and I never see these same people listing all the standard hagiography motif numbers. (So obviously it doesn’t really bother the people who make this argument, because they don’t do the research.)

Shrug. I guess I’m going to have to go make a “miraculous limb” hagiography database, or some such thing.
 
Mintaka said:
Actually, there are many many pre-modern examples of limb restoration miracles. If you read enough hagiography of enough saints, you can read quite a few accounts of limb restorations. The most common one is the tongue, actually, but you get fingers coming back as well as feet, hands, arms, and legs. And then there’s St. Cosmas and Damian’s miraculous limb transplant operation, where the amputated leg guy had a weird dream about the doctor saints and woke up to find himself with a new living leg, transplanted from a recently deceased guy in the neighborhood. It’s one of the best known saint legends in all history, but people seem to have forgotten it. There are also miraculous prosthetic legends, but I’m not sure if those count.

Once you get to a technology level where people who lose limbs are not going to starve or die in other ways, you seem to get a lot fewer of these kinds of miracle testimonies. Of course, it could also be that people aren’t desperate enough now to pray for miraculous limb regrowth or replacement. Who knows?

But I keep seeing this “people never get limbs back” argument, and I never see these same people listing all the standard hagiography motif numbers. (So obviously it doesn’t really bother the people who make this argument, because they don’t do the research.)

Shrug. I guess I’m going twas o have to go make a “miraculous limb” hagiography database, or some such thing.
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But you’re saying they’re legends. That’s not the same thing as reality.
 
Mintaka said:
Actually, there are many many pre-modern examples of limb restoration miracles. If you read enough hagiography of enough saints, you can read quite a few accounts of limb restorations. The most common one is the tongue, actually, but you get fingers coming back as well as feet, hands, arms, and legs. And then there’s St. Cosmas and Damian’s miraculous limb transplant operation, where the amputated leg guy had a weird dream about the doctor saints and woke up to find himself with a new living leg, transplanted from a recently deceased guy in the neighborhood. It’s one of the best known saint legends in all history, but people seem to have forgotten it. There are also miraculous prosthetic legends, but I’m not sure if those count.

Once you get to a technology level where people who lose limbs are not going to starve or die in other ways, you seem to get a lot fewer of these kinds of miracle testimonies. Of course, it could also be that people aren’t desperate enough now to pray for miraculous limb regrowth or replacement. Who knows?

But I keep seeing this “people never get limbs back” argument, and I never see these same people listing all the standard hagiography motif numbers. (So obviously it doesn’t really bother the people who make this argument, because they don’t do the research.)

Shrug. I guess I’m going to have to go make a “miraculous limb” hagiography database, or some such thing.
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It could be that because people that lose limbs in the modern era, I would say, would get them back by way of advances in medicine. Prosthetics have come a long way, but I guess that’s being ignored quote a bit on this thread.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
It could be that because people that lose limbs in the modern era, I would say, would get them back by way of advances in medicine. Prosthetics have come a long way, but I guess that’s being ignored quote a bit on this thread.
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Yeah but were limbs ever really restored back in the olden days or are those just legends?
 
Faith1960 said:
Yeah but were limbs ever really restored back in the olden days or are those just legends?
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Why does it matter what is restored now, in this life? Our Lord Jesus Christ died a horrific death to redeem us!!!

If we follow, love and obey Him, then on the day of the Resurrection of all, the saved will be in perfect body and health in their glorified bodies for all eternity!
 
I have a feeling you aren’t here to ask legitimate questions, you claim in your screenname (or whatever they are called nowadays) faith, but it seems that right now, you’ve got very little of it. You’re ignoring valid responses to your questions. I’m not going to argue with someone that goes out of their way to avoid the answers.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
I have a feeling you aren’t here to ask legitimate questions, you claim in your screenname (or whatever they are called nowadays) faith, but it seems that right now, you’ve got very little of it. You’re ignoring valid responses to your questions. I’m not going to argue with someone that goes out of their way to avoid the answers.
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Well now, that’s not very charitable.:rolleyes:
 
Faith, scripture is not a complete record. It is a partial, fragmentary record of the high points of three years. Read 2 Peter 3. Written words are super easy to twist and distort once they are separated from the source that wrote them, then taken out of context. Your average TV preacher makes millions by doing this.

And, don’t argue with Della. 😉
 
po18guy said:
Faith, scripture is not a complete record. It is a partial, fragmentary record of the high points of three years. Read 2 Peter 3. Written words are super easy to twist and distort once they are separated from the source that wrote them, then taken out of context. Your average TV preacher makes millions by doing this.

And, don’t argue with Della. 😉
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Why doesn’t God restore missing limbs?
 
The Lord has done all good and wonderful things for us, to deep for us to fully appreciate.

We must never fly in His Face.
 
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