John 6 : 62 & 63 What does this mean?

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Wannano said:
Is Jesus worshipped “through” the bread and wine? I hope I answer this right but I would say not in a Sacremental sense probably.
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I’m not sure I can agree. I don’t know how Jesus is not worshipped through these symbols? They represent Jesus, and He is accepted as Spiritual food, but the bread and wine are only symbols of this. Eating, in this sense is comparable to worship. I’ve been told that this is true. So unless the worship itself is symbolic, which I don’t know how worship can be symbolic, then Jesus is worshipped through the elements of mere bread and wine. I honestly don’t see any way around it. 🤷
 
rcwitness said:
I’m not sure I can agree. I don’t know how Jesus is not worshipped through these symbols? They represent Jesus, and He is accepted as Spiritual food, but the bread and wine are only symbols of this. Eating, in this sense is comparable to worship. I’ve been told that this is true. So unless the worship itself is symbolic, which I don’t know how worship can be symbolic, then Jesus is worshipped through the elements of mere bread and wine. I honestly don’t see any way around it. 🤷
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Hey, I don’t know how to highlite my own previous text but please reread what I said. I am saying He is worshipped am I not?

Maybe I am a confusing linguist!
 
Wannano said:
In the sense that we as individuals are many kernels of wheat ground together into one common flour/bread losing our individual distinctiveness
within the Body of Christ and also the same with grapes forming a common wine, we worship Jesus in the partaking of the bread and wine in a recognition that He sacrificed his whole being for our salvation. In Thanksgiving it is a time to reflect on our relationship with Him and our fellowman and to once again commit to His Body , the Church ,in love.
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Hmmm… while some of this, no doubt, has good sentiments, I’m not sure your “many kernels of wheat ground together into one common bread, loosing our individual distinctiveness” is the proper description of Communion.

For example… Paul tells us something different, no?

1 Cor. 10
Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.*
 
rcwitness said:
Hmmm… while some of this, no doubt, has good sentiments, I’m not sure your “many kernels of wheat ground together into one common bread, loosing our individual distinctiveness” is the proper description of Communion.

For example… Paul tells us something different, no?

1 Cor. 10
Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.*
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Yes I agree, not an proper description of Communion in that sense alone. My reference was the same intent as Paul’s …“we who are many are one body” . I believe I made reference to losing our individualism by becoming one body in the body of Christ. The Church is His body, no?
 
Wannano said:
Hey, I don’t know how to highlite my own previous text but please reread what I said. I am saying He is worshipped am I not?

Maybe I am a confusing linguist!
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Ok. This comment seemed to suggest it:
Originally Posted byWannano
Is Jesus worshipped “through” the bread and wine? I hope I answer this right but I would say not in a Sacremental sense probably.
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Wannano said:
Yes I agree, not an proper description of Communion in that sense alone. My reference was the same intent as Paul’s …“we who are many are one body” . I believe I made reference to losing our individualism by becoming one body in the body of Christ. The Church is His body, no?
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We who partake in His body and blood are one body.

Paul is talking about the one Sacrifice in 1 Cor. 10 that we Commune of. Is there one Communion in Christianity, or many divided???
 
Wannano said:
Whoa rc, read it again please…after the words “common wine” I used the very words we “worship Jesus…”
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Ok, if you say so, that’s what matters. 👍

So, then, don’t you criticize worshipping God through earthly objects?
 
Wannano said:
We, I believe, are talking past each other as your very points here back up my own thoughts. Somehow the semantics we are experiencing over the word literal is in my mind literally not worth it.
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Duane, I am not meaning to blow you off. Sorry if it seems like that.

Something just happened in real life. I spied my wife’s plate of homemade fudge on the cupboard so I suggested she would not know if it was OK if I didn’t have a taste. So she relented and let me have a piece and then asked if it was ok. I replied, “I would be willing to eat the whole plate.”

Now, was I being literal, because I am not willing to eat the plate (made from glass!).
 
rcwitness said:
Ok, if you say so, that’s what matters. 👍

So, then, don’t you criticize worshipping God through earthly objects?
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Worshipping God in the recognition of what He has accomplished is worshipping through earthly objects?
 
Wannano said:
Ok, if you say so, that’s what matters…:christmastree1:😃
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You are free to disagree, obviously. I just don’t understand how it is not doing so.

And my point, is that many Evangelicals (Symbolism Communions) criticize the Catholic Church for venerating images (honoring God through images of Christianity and it’s Gospel).
 
rcwitness said:
You are free to disagree, obviously. I just don’t understand how it is not doing so.

And my point, is that many Evangelicals (Symbolism Communions) criticize the Catholic Church for venerating images (honoring God through images of Christianity and it’s Gospel).
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Right, and they probably don’t care much if some of their communion wafers accidentally fell on the floor during their service because it’s not something sacred to them like it is with us.
 
rcwitness said:
You are free to disagree, obviously. I just don’t understand how it is not doing so.

And my point, is that many Evangelicals (Symbolism Communions) criticize the Catholic Church for venerating images (honoring God through images of Christianity and it’s Gospel).
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I have company here now for 5he weekend.
 
Techno2000 said:
Right, and they probably don’t care much if some of their communion wafers accidentally fell on the floor during their service because it’s not something sacred to them like it is with us.
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I’m trying to strike a cord here. Using their own theology tells me that what they do in Communion, is what they criticize and maybe even accuse us as idolatry.

We venerate images within our worship. This is highly criticized. But that is what is done in the Symbolic Communion of bread and wine.

In our Communion, we are not venerating OR worshipping through the bread and wine. The bread and wine are symbols (and truly) of work and celebration, as gifts, and nurishment and life, as properties that are consumed. However, after the blessing of consecration, they are no longer the substance of bread and wine, but changed, by the Spirit into the flesh and blood that was Incarnate from the Word.
 
Techno2000 said:
Right, and they probably don’t care much if some of their communion wafers accidentally fell on the floor during their service because it’s not something sacred to them like it is with us.
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I would have preferred you didn’t say that…if you guys don’t like slurs then you shouldn’t give them either.🤷
 
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