John Hagee Ministries

[KathleenGee]

As a small child I had an eccentric aunt who would turn on the tv and listen to these very emotional preachers, and my grandmother, who was a lapsed Baptist from the South would shout at her to ‘turn that stuff off!’…and the preaching was always accompanied by this organ music.

My daughter’s mother in law is a Kenneth Copeland follower, and she won’t let me say anything about my demonic religion. Totally closed minded, and goes on and on about claiming certain phrases in the bible and to be positive and so on.

For my other daughter to see these ideas about using a few Bible quotes and everything revolving around getting material things you need, it drew her back deeper into the Church. I love my son-in-law very much, and pray for the mother.

 

[JustaServant]

My daughter’s mother in law is a Kenneth Copeland follower, and she won’t let me say anything about my demonic religion. Totally closed minded, and goes on and on about claiming** certain phrases in the bible and to be positive and so on**.

What they are basically doing using the Bible as a Tarot card, or a crytal ball. Thinking it can work magic.
That is a VERY dangerous thing to be doing.

And ah…yeah, Hagee teaches that as well.

 

[AbideWithMe]

Abide this was your answer…

you actually answered my question with numerous questions as indicated by your question marks.

Coptic–I was trying to be silly in asking why you thought I answered a question with a question.

My answers were embedded in my questions of the previous post. Come on, you surely know that “Protestants” includes mainline, highly liturgical churches which have services nothing like Hagee’s, as well as semi-liturgical and non-liturgical churches, the majority of which are not like Hagee’s services either. How on earth could he be typical for “most” Protestants?

For mainstream Evangelicalism in the US, “Christianity Today” magazine is about as “typical” an overview as can be found.

So, my opinion was based on: the facts about what kinds of churches the term “Protestant” includes; many years reading sources such as CT magazine that give a wider overview than what I could get from my own church visits; Christian radio stations that have speakers and musicians that are well-received by a broad range of Protestants; my own experience from when I used to travel a good deal; conversations with family members and friends across the US and a few other countries; books and internet sources.

 

[AbideWithMe]

Okay, Hell is about to freeze over.
I am agreeing with the only Protestant on this thread.
I was actually going to bring up what AWM posted in regard to Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans, Amish, Mennonites, Presbyterians and Reformed.
Thanks Abide.

Sorry guys, I know you want to foster “understanding” by not dissing a popular televangelist thinking you’re gonna win some friends. But you can’t straddle the fence with this guy. His theology of “covenant salvation” is in no way shape or form compatable with mainstream Protestant thought, and some of the best critiques of his ‘theology’ have come from Protestant sources.
I stand by my statement, I would not slander Protestants by calling Hagee a Protestant.

Oh…and pahleeze, no melodramatic “this is what drives me from Catholicism…”
I am actually defending Protestants here.
So, If my answer about Hagee being a charlatain seems “harsh”, my answer is the same as John Wayne’s in an earlier post.
Yes ma’am, I hit 'em.
JUST AS HARD AS I COULD.

Maybe hell has frozen over, or maybe I’ll just consider this a Christmas present.

Peace on earth…hey, it could happen.

 

[AbideWithMe]

Abide,

It would be safe to say that both your experiences are valid for you.

No way is it possible to know which communities either of you visited or that any or all of them represent anything but your experience. He is typical for those that have experienced his typical style and atypical for those that have not.

Mommy is coming home…

Not that my opinion matters on this, but I would much rather see people filling up Catholic churches instead of listening to John Hagee or prosperity gospel preachers.

 

[tabycat]

Not sure about his being a “charlatan” - I would rather use that term for people who make false prophecies (Hal Lindsey), promote bogus healings (Benny Hinn), or say that God will slay them if they don’t get enough $$$$ by a particular date (don’t remember the guy’s name, and frankly I’m not bothered. I think it was Pat Robertson, but feel free to correct me.)"

It was Oral Roberts, not Pat Robertson, that said send me money or God is going to kill me. Pat can get in enough trouble with his mouth without any help.

 

[RPRPsych]

It was Oral Roberts, not Pat Robertson, that said send me money or God is going to kill me. Pat can get in enough trouble with his mouth without any help.

Ah yes, you’re right. I looked that up. I just thought it was Pat because the names sounded alike, and Pat definitely has the gift of speaking in the “foot-in-mouth” tongue.

And I’d agree with Just A Servant that what Hagee and his ilk do is outside the mainstream of traditional (Lutheran, Reformed, Arminian) Protestant theology. Calvin himself called the concept of the “millennium” childish. Orthodox Lutherans, Presbyterians or Arminan evangelicals would certainly repudiate what the guy is saying.

 

[Nicea325]

Good of him, I must say that is both brave and principled. I stand corrected.

Now if he could convince his evangelical brethren to do likewise…

NOPE! He apparently cannot stick to his own words. Just this week he took a swipe at the RCC again. The guy is a FRAUD!

 

[Nicea325]

Baloney.
Hagee is not a Protestant.
It’s a slander to even equate him with Protestants.
We would owe every Protestant on this site an apology if we did.
He;s a televangelist and a charlatain.
Totally different animal.

Exactly! Mainline Protestants would not assoiciate with him

 

[RPRPsych]

NOPE! He apparently cannot stick to his own words. Just this week he took a swipe at the RCC again. The guy is a FRAUD!

Lord, have mercy on him.

 

[Mommybostic]

I wasn’t trying to start an argument about what the Protestant faith is or isn’t. Furthermore, I only said his “style” seems very familiar to me, and I will continue to stand by that statement. Through my new “Catholic” perception, I can see him differently, but through my old “Baptist” perception, he just sort of blends in with all the others. Am I somewhat bitter towards the Protestant faith? Maybe. Probably, even. Maybe I shouldn’t even be commenting on subjects like this for a decade or so.

 

[JustaServant]

I wasn’t trying to start an argument about what the Protestant faith is or isn’t. Furthermore, I only said his “style” seems very familiar to me, and I will continue to stand by that statement. Through my new “Catholic” perception, I can see him differently, but through my old “Baptist” perception, he just sort of blends in with all the others. Am I somewhat bitter towards the Protestant faith? Maybe. Probably, even. Maybe I shouldn’t even be commenting on subjects like this for a decade or so.

Hagee isn’t a Baptist, he’s a Word of Faith Charismatic.
Although I admit his ‘style’ is close to independent Baptist preachers (a group he is rather popular with). Lots of clichés and platitudes, but ultimately an unremarkable preacher. I think thats why he became a self-proclaimed “prophecy expert”, to offset his poor pulpiteering.

 

[Crescentinus]

Hagee isn’t a Baptist, he’s a Word of Faith Charismatic.
Although I admit his ‘style’ is close to independent Baptist preachers (a group he is rather popular with). Lots of clichés and platitudes, but ultimately an unremarkable preacher. I think thats why he became a self-proclaimed “prophecy expert”, to offset his poor pulpiteering.

He reminds me of some SDA preachers. What they lack in substance, they more than overcompensate with anti-Catholic conspiracy theories.