John Hagee's praise of Mary- Mother of God

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Anna_Scott said:
JustaServant,

I’d say you are right. This article gives a more realistic look at Hagee’s stance on the Catholic Church. It seems his apology for anti-Catholic rants was not exactly an apology.

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Actually, my Jewish friends said they were suspicious of Hagee’s motives regarding his support of the Jewish people.

I do not presume to know this man’s heart; but I tend to be cautious when it comes to Hagee.

Peace,
Anna
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No Jew in his or her right mind should support anything Hagee says. His dispensationalist theology (he fancies himself a “prophecy expert”, whatever that is) teaches that all the Jews in the world will immigrate to Israel…where God will promptly wipe them out in the “tribulation”.
 
JustaServant said:
No Jew in his or her right mind should support anything Hagee says. His dispensationalist theology (he fancies himself a “prophecy expert”, whatever that is) teaches that all the Jews in the world will immigrate to Israel…where God will promptly wipe them out in the “tribulation”.
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So, my Jewish friends are right in being suspicious of his support. Not sure how Hagee arrived at that conclusion. We seem to have a surplus of false prophets these days.

Peace,
Anna
 
Anna_Scott said:
So, my Jewish friends are right in being suspicious of his support. Not sure how Hagee arrived at that conclusion. We seem to have a surplus of false prophets these days.

Peace,
Anna
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All he is doing is regurgitating dispensationalist theology. He didn’t come up with it, in fact I don’t think he ever had an original thought in his life. :cool:
 
Perhaps the Holy Spirit chipping away at his heart?,…just sayin’ Hagee wrote a beautiful article regarding Pope Benedict’s visit to the US a few years back,…😉
 
JustaServant said:
No Jew in his or her right mind should support anything Hagee says. His dispensationalist theology (he fancies himself a “prophecy expert”, whatever that is) teaches that all the Jews in the world will immigrate to Israel…where God will promptly wipe them out in the “tribulation”.
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That’s an unfair characterization. You make it sound as if Hagee wants Jews to immigrate to Israel so that they will be wiped out in the tribulation. That’s not why he supports Israel. The whole point about supporting the Jews in dispensationalist theology is that THEY ARE GOD’S CHOSEN NATION AND HAVE AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH GOD. Hagee is strongly supportive of Jews and the nation of Israel because of scriptures which say bless Israel.

Yes, according to dispensationalist theology Jews will be killed, but so will anyone who goes against the Anti-Christ’s authority including anyone who puts their faith in Christ. Have you ever watched any of the “Left Behind” movies? The whole plot is about the left behind going underground to keep from being executed. Dispensationalists believe that many of the Jewish people will come to know Jesus as their messiah in the tribulation.
 
Optimusmastro said:
Perhaps the Holy Spirit chipping away at his heart?,…just sayin’ Hagee wrote a beautiful article regarding Pope Benedict’s visit to the US a few years back,…😉
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He did, “Thank you, Pope Benedict”, in which he says:
As people of faith, our concerns go well beyond the borders of our country. After the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust, we joined our Jewish brothers in saying “Never Again!” For me, this commitment means never again allowing the Jewish people to be massacred or persecuted and thus helps to motivate my strong support for the State of Israel. But we also take from the Holocaust a universal “Never Again,” which means that we must never again allow genocide to be perpetrated against any of God’s children anywhere in the world.
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My reaction to Pope Benedict”s visit may surprise some who have come to accept certain caricatures of my views of the Catholic Church. But as I have noted from the start, my critics have ignored the real point and strong emphasis of my words. I have indeed been quite zealous about condemning the past anti-Semitism of the Catholic Church. But I have been equally zealous in condemning Protestant anti-Semitism. Furthermore, as I noted in my 2006 book “Jerusalem Countdown,” I have long viewed Pope John Paul II and now Pope Benedict XVI as partners in this “righteous work” of overcoming our shared legacy of Christian anti-Semitism.
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ltwin said:
That’s an unfair characterization. You make it sound as if Hagee wants Jews to immigrate to Israel so that they will be wiped out in the tribulation. That’s not why he supports Israel. The whole point about supporting the Jews in dispensationalist theology is that THEY ARE GOD’S CHOSEN NATION AND HAVE AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH GOD. Hagee is strongly supportive of Jews and the nation of Israel because of scriptures which say bless Israel.

Yes,** according to dispensationalist theology Jews will be killed**, but so will anyone who goes against the Anti-Christ’s authority including anyone who puts their faith in Christ. Have you ever watched any of the “Left Behind” movies? The whole plot is about the left behind going underground to keep from being executed. Dispensationalists believe that many of the Jewish people will come to know Jesus as their messiah in the tribulation.
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Uh…first of all, I used to teach this stuff. You’re talking to a revert, not a cradle Catholic.
Secondly, in Hagee’s mind Jews do not need to believe in Jesus to be saved, they are saved simply by being Jews. A heresy which is the ultimate destination of heretical dispensationalism.
Your bolded quote is the basis of dispensationalist theology (which again I used to teach many years ago). It is a horrific ‘theology’ that turns God into a sadist who tortures the human race knowing all along they will not repent.
 
JustaServant said:
Uh…first of all, I used to teach this stuff. You’re talking to a revert, not a cradle Catholic.
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Then you should know better. I grew up watching TBN, Hagee with his big Bible prophecy charts, and Perry Stone. These people are all about being friends to the Jews and their desire to return Jews to the Holy Land has nothing to do with them wanting to see God destroy them all.
Secondly, in Hagee’s mind Jews do not need to believe in Jesus to be saved, they are saved simply by being Jews. A heresy which is the ultimate destination of heretical dispensationalism.
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I would like to know where and when Hagee teaches that? I recall hearing him in an interview say in no uncertain terms that Jews must accept Christ if they wanted to be saved.
Your bolded quote is the basis of dispensationalist theology (which again I used to teach many years ago). It is a horrific ‘theology’ that turns God into a sadist who tortures the human race knowing all along they will not repent.
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And your welcome to that opinion, but that conclusion can be reached with many different theologies, not just dispensationalism.
 
Quotes By John Hagee :
one of the best known promoters of the ‘Two Covenant’ Doctrine’

(“San Antonio fundamentalist battles anti-Semitism,” Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec. 6, pg. 1. PFO Article, “The Other Gospel Of John Hagee”)

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“I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.”

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“I’m not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith.”

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In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time. ‘The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They have a faith structure. Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity."

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“The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses. I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption. “The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not.

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“The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah, it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews!”

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“There are Jewish people who have relationship with God right now according to the election of grace. (Romans 11:5) … The Jewish people are judicially blinded to the identity of Messiah… Question: If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see? … Inasmuch as God has blinded them to the identity of Messiah, targeting the Jewish people for mass evangelism is fruitless.”

(John Hagee letter (on Cornerstone Church letterhead) to Erwin M. de Castro of the Christian Research Institute, October 18, 1994, pg. 5, copy on file. Christian Research Institute Article on John Hagee)

His belief in the ‘prosperity gospel’ is another heresy.
Very dangerous teacher.
 
I watched John Hagee’s video. The book of revelations, taken literally or otherwise, can only really apply to one specific entity: The Ancient Roman Pagan Empire. The Antichrist is the Emperor, who declared himself God. All of this is widely known. Any other interpretation is either wishful thinking, hatred, or ignorance.
 
This past Sunday in his sermon series entitled “Desperate Housewives of the Bible,” Pastor Hagee said something that stunned me. As a former Protestant it wasn’t even the common view of the Virgin Birth. Paraphrasing he stated that Mary was used by God to bring the incarnate Savior into the world. God the Father implanted in her both the seed and the blood necessary for Him to be born and that Jesus did not receive His blood from Mary. If He had she would have been contaminated by her sin. The blood in Christ, he stated, was “divine” and “royal” blood. Then he asked the congregation, “This is the difference between the Virgin Birth and the Immaculate Conception, do you understand what I mean?” To which many in the congregation raised their hands and he complimented them on their insight.

Now, I will not go into all my thoughts on this as a former Protestant and now as a Catholic who dearly loves our Blessed Mother, but this is blatant heresy. It overemphasizes Christ’s divinity over his humanity and it also implies that Mary was simply a host for Jesus and not his mother. I am stunned by how uneducated and erroneous a statement this is!
 
Ohaillin said:
This past Sunday in his sermon series entitled “Desperate Housewives of the Bible,” Pastor Hagee said something that stunned me. As a former Protestant it wasn’t even the common view of the Virgin Birth. Paraphrasing he stated that Mary was used by God to bring the incarnate Savior into the world. God the Father implanted in her both the seed and the blood necessary for Him to be born and that Jesus did not receive His blood from Mary. If He had she would have been contaminated by her sin. The blood in Christ, he stated, was “divine” and “royal” blood. Then he asked the congregation, “This is the difference between the Virgin Birth and the Immaculate Conception, do you understand what I mean?” To which many in the congregation raised their hands and he complimented them on their insight.

Now, I will not go into all my thoughts on this as a former Protestant and now as a Catholic who dearly loves our Blessed Mother, but this is blatant heresy. It overemphasizes Christ’s divinity over his humanity and it also implies that Mary was simply a host for Jesus and not his mother. I am stunned by how uneducated and erroneous a statement this is!
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That is actually Aphthartodocetism, an old, long-condemned heresy. Does Pastor Hagee even believe that Christ is consubstantion with us in his manhood?

PS: your religion still says charismatic episcopal.
 
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