John Kasich Thread

[Siegehammer]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

The young woman, a first-year student at St. Lawrence University in Canton, New York, had asked the Ohio governor at a town hall here how he would help her “feel safer and more secure regarding sexual violence, harassment and rape” as president.

In answering the question, Kasich talked about efforts in Ohio to provide support for college students facing sexual harassment, such as access to confidential reporting, rape kits, and the opportunity to “pursue justice after you have had some time to reflect on it all.”

Kasich said these efforts should be extended to the rest of the country as well so that students “know exactly what the rules are” and do not feel vulnerable. He also reflected on how having two daughters affects his views on the issue.

“I have two 16-year-old daughters and I don’t even like to think about it,” Kasich said.

“It’s sad, but it’s something that I have to worry about,” the student responded.

Kasich jumped in, saying he had advice.

“Well I would give you, I’d also give you one bit of advice. Don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol. OK? Don’t do that,” Kasich said as the audience applauded.

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

 

[TCEL]

People do stupid things under the influence of alcohol. I made the promise to myself not to go to parties like that, for that very reason. People do stupid things, or it encourages and attracts the wrong sort.

 

[ucfengr]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

By that logic telling people to lock their cars and take their keys absolves car thieves of responsibility. Kids and alcohol is an unsafe combination. Telling people to avoid it is prudent advice.

 

[Alex_H]

This is just generally good advice from Kasich. Drunkenness leads to many bad behaviors.

 

[10gr8kids]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

I think it’s great advice. Along with

1. If you go out walking/jogging at night, go with a friend.
2. When you go to x-mart at night park your car under a light.
3. When walking to your car have your keys in hand and be aware of your surroundings.
4. If someone tries to grab you, kick, scream, and yell.

It isn’t about absolving the rapists or blaming the victim. It is about taking percautions.

 

[Irishmom2]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

Telling people to do things that help avoid getting harmed, in no way absolves the other person of accountability. There was nothing indecent or dangerous about what Kasich said.

 

[DeniseNY]

Telling people to do things that help avoid getting harmed, in no way absolves the other person of accountability. There was nothing indecent or dangerous about what Kasich said.

Agreed. This is a gross overreaction.

 

[Trident_H]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

What would you have wanted him to say instead? That she didn’t have to worry about keeping her wits when surrounded by a bunch of high testosterone already dumbed down by alcohol? That he’d put up 24 hour surveillance so they could identify any guys who acted on blurry thoughts after the fact?

What’s wrong with giving out common sense advice?

 

[Ridgerunner]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

What did you WANT him to say?

I really do think it’s different now. There was plenty of drinking when I was in college, and a fair number of young women would get drunk at parties, though most didn’t. For some reason, the intoxication level among all participants is much higher and the morality level seems lower. “In my day” nobody heard of drugs one could put in a girls drink that would incapacitate her or rob her of all power of rational thinking. That doesn’t seem uncommon now.

Telling young girls to avoid occasions where massive intoxication among amoral youth is prevalent is just good advice. How do you propose that young women be absolved of all responsibility for their own safety and still be safe?

 

[CatholicKnight3]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

Socialist Godless propaganda alert

I do not even know what to say.

We are in real trouble folks. The Godless are truly having their day in the sun, and the day of the demon is upon us.

 

[boomerang]

Criminals are everywhere and being drunk makes you a very attractive target. You don’t cover yourself with blood and jump into a tank with sharks, likewise a cautious person doesn’t get themselves so intoxicated that you can’t defend yourself or even remember what the heck happened.

 

[redbetta]

I am a female college student and I think this is common sense advice.

 

[Sarcelle]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

I think it is very prudent advice.

The best way is to avoid the situation in the first place. This is not about absolving rapists but to advice young women from being caught in the situation in the first place.

 

[anon67074017]

I agree with Kasich here. People do bad things when they are drunk. Politically correct people took his statement out of context.

 

[mikekle]

People do stupid things under the influence of alcohol. I made the promise to myself not to go to parties like that, for that very reason. People do stupid things, or it encourages and attracts the wrong sort.

I have to agree, from experience in my younger days, its best to avoid these kinds of parties.

 

[queenofheartscv]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

Maybe you said this as a joke?

 

[Neal76]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

Good Lord. Have you ever been outside?

 

[Stubbertson]

I don’t agree with some of the uncharitable comments made here, but I do agree with Kasich. Now, if a woman does get drunk at a party and is raped, I think it would be unhelpful to browbeat her with statements like “If you hadn’t have gotten drunk, this wouldn’t have happened!”, because trust me, she’s already beating herself up enough about it.

 

[Theo520]

By that logic telling people to lock their cars and take their keys absolves car thieves of responsibility. Kids and alcohol is an unsafe combination. Telling people to avoid it is prudent advice.

Telling someone to be smart isn’t the same as absolving criminals, but it still might prevent an incident.

Outside of this advice, not sure how you imagine a US President is gonna control drunk or criminal college kids. We already tried prohibition.

 

[Jon_S_1]

A reminder that “moderate” John Kasich is as aggressively terrible as the other two candidates in the Republican clown car:

No, no, no, no!

This is a horrendous piece of advice that tasks women with preventing their own rapes and absolves rapists of accountability. It is a very indecent thing to say, and he is dangerously wrong.

Ummmmm

Sounds like he gave multi faceted advice that covers about everything.

Saying, “avoid alcohol fueled parties” is great advice. Young men and women go to these parties and don’t know their limits and wake up the next day after being passed out for hours unable to care or protect themselves. There is no good in these parties.

It is not dangerous to help women prevent their own rapes.

Is it dangerous to have security escorts for women on campus?
Is it dangerous to install emergency phones?
Is it dangerous to tell women to walk in groups late at night?

How is telling a girl to walk in groups at night any different then saying, "avoid the place where a lot of these tapes happen- alcohol fueled frat parties.