John McCain and Lindsey Graham: Confront ISIS Now

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Crossbones said:
The trouble with splitting Iraq is that Turkey is very much against having a border with a Kurdish state since there is a large Kurd population in Turkey that probably would want to be part of that new state.

So much of this goes back to the 1918 Paris Treaty. If you want to get a sense of how we ended up with so many of the messes of the last century, read “Paris 1918: Six months that changed the world” by MacMillan. It is a long, terse and sometimes boring read, but it captures what was going in all its detail to the underlying thought process that created the chaos of the next century.
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Turkey is also a problem. They occupy the great Church of Eastern Christianity, the Hagia Sophia and refuse to give it back. And they have invaded and currently occupy part of the Greek island of Cypress.
 
gilliam said:
The photo was taken during a surprise May 2013 trip McCain took to Syria to meet with rebel leaders in the civil war against President Bashar Assad’s regime. Then and now, McCain is a passionate advocate for helping the moderate Free Syrian Army, which has been battling both Assad’s forces and the extremists. In June, President Barack Obama’s administration proposed a $500 million plan to arm and train the moderate Syrian opposition.
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But it has been reported that many members of the " moderate Free Syrian Army" have joined with ISIS.
 
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TheSeeker2014 said:
nytimes.com/2014/08/30/opinion/john-mccain-and-lindsey-graham-confront-isis.html?_r=0

ISIS is now one of the largest, richest terrorist organizations in history. It occupies a growing safe haven the size of Indiana spanning two countries in the heart of the Middle East, and its ranks are filled with thousands of radicals holding Western passports, including some Americans. They require nothing more than a plane ticket to travel to United States cities.

This is why the secretary of homeland security has called Syria “a matter of homeland security.” His warnings about ISIS have been echoed by the attorney general, the director of national intelligence and, now, the secretary of defense. Americans need to know that ISIS is not just a problem for Iraq and Syria. It is a threat to the United States. Doing too little to combat ISIS has been a problem. Doing less is certainly not the answer now.
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Thank you John McCain and Lindsey Graham. I am frankly relieved to hear responsible, measured and intelligent thinking about how to deal with this situation with ISIS. It’s overdue. And thanks to the New York Times for printing it. :eek: 😉 This might be a good time for those of us here in the US who are so polarized and spiteful toward one another to come together and find some common ground.
 
McCain and Graham sure have a lot of chutzpah. They were huge supporters of the Iraq war, the war which almost entirely destroyed the Christian community in that country. This is the first time they’ve shown any concern for Christians there, and it’s only because they want to drop more bombs.
 
Royalist said:
McCain and Graham sure have a lot of chutzpah. They were huge supporters of the Iraq war, the war which almost entirely destroyed the Christian community in that country. This is the first time they’ve shown any concern for Christians there, and it’s only because they want to drop more bombs.
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It’s not the Iraq war that destroyed the Christian Community. The Christian community has suffered since the Americans left. So much for revisionism.
 
Path_Finder said:
It’s not the Iraq war that destroyed the Christian Community. The Christian community has suffered since the Americans left. So much for revisionism.
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But the Christian community was doing all right before the US invaded Iraq and deposed Saddam Hussein?
 
Path_Finder said:
If you have some facts that the Iraq war killed Christians, please post it.
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I didn’t say so. I said that Christians were doing all right under Saddam Hussein before the Americans invaded Iraq and deposed Hussein.
 
Tomdstone said:
I didn’t say so. I said that Christians were doing all right under Saddam Hussein before the Americans invaded Iraq and deposed Hussein.
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And the Christians were doing alright after the Americans invaded Iraq and deposed Hussein.
 
Path_Finder said:
And the Christians were doing alright after the Americans invaded Iraq and deposed Hussein.
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Not for long. Policies were put in place insuring that the Sunnis were not fairly represented in the Iraq government, thus causing unrest and dissatisfaction among many of the Sunnis.
 
gilliam said:
FALSE: That picture misidentifies people. McCain did not meet with terrorists. This misrepresentation started in a Hezbollah newspaper. Hezbollah is no friend of McCain. See the article below:

But McCain, R-Ariz., has come under fire from the left-leaning organization VoteVets.org for allegedly posing for a photo in 2013 with “ISIS fighters,” a charge the group has been unable to back up and that McCain calls a fabrication.

The photo was taken during a surprise May 2013 trip McCain took to Syria to meet with rebel leaders in the civil war against President Bashar Assad’s regime. Then and now, McCain is a passionate advocate for helping the moderate Free Syrian Army, which has been battling both Assad’s forces and the extremists. In June, President Barack Obama’s administration proposed a $500 million plan to arm and train the moderate Syrian opposition.
McCain’s photo with the Syrian rebels misidentified as ISIS fighters has caught fire on social-media platforms such as Twitter. It was distributed in a VoteVets fundraising e-mail dated Tuesday, the same day that ISIS released a grisly video documenting Foley’s murder.

“While he was there (in Syria), he paused for some photos — including some with ISIS militants,” VoteVets chairman Jon Soltz, an Iraq War veteran, wrote in the e-mail that featured the photo. “Today, just over a year later, he wants to fight ISIS in Iraq — ostensibly against the weapons he wants to provide them in Syria.”

McCain’s camp pushed back hard, characterizing the VoteVets charge as a lie. The senator’s office noted that not only has the Obama White House come around to the idea of arming the Free Syrian Army, but former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said in an interview that the U.S. failure to help establish “a credible fighting force … left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled.”

And ISIS recently singled out McCain as “the enemy” and a “crusader” in a propaganda magazine.

“It is shameful that the liberal group VoteVets would completely fabricate this obviously false smear, but it just shows how far some of President Obama’s defenders will go to attack anyone who criticizes his failed foreign policy,” McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said.

In a meeting Thursday with The Arizona Republic’s editorial board, McCain said a Hezbollah-controlled newspaper in Beirut was the first to make unfounded accusations about the men in the photo.

One of the men with McCain is Gen. Salim Idris, who at the time chief of staff of the Free Syrian Army’s Supreme Military Council. He was removed from the post in February. Another is Mouaz Moustafa, executive director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a Washington, D.C.-based group that encourages U.S. intervention on behalf of the moderate opposition and organized McCain’s visit. A third man who had been disputed in the past has since been identified “as one of the brigade commanders for the Free Syrian Army,” McCain said.

He was with the Northern Storm Brigade, a force affiliated with the Free Syrian Army that has battled ISIS, McCain’s office clarified.

“It’s foolishness,” but the false charge “just bangs around the Internet,” McCain said.

Asked by The Republic for documentation or a source for its claim that the McCain photo included ISIS militants, VoteVets could not provide any evidence, but did pass along an Aug. 18 Washington Post column by Souad Mekhennet that makes the point that some “factions” of the Free Syrian Army have joined ISIS. The column didn’t relate to anyone in the McCain photo.

azcentral.com/story/azdc/2014/08/24/mccain-photo-isis-terrorists-syria/14475207/
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Of course McCain would deny those pictures. But those photos are not faked and they are of Baghdadi and friends. The bare faced lies these people come up with is just amazing.
You can tell their bias by calling of the FSA moderates. I could flood this site of videos of them decapitating people. Of them ripping hearts out and eating them. Of crucifixions, launching chemical attacks etc. How in the world would anyone who wants to be viewed as rational and unbiased would ever call the FSA “moderate” is beyond me. Maybe McCain little out pouring of regretful propaganda would be better received if they didn’t try and call a bunch of psychopathic murderers “moderate”. And as for McCain worthless bragging about some FSA guy fighting ISIS. That no big deal. As these terror groups fight each other more often than they fight Assad.
 
ISIS from what I understand, mainly grew inside Syria. Russia supports the oppressive regime that fired at protesters for merely being in the street. ISIS has Russian made weapons as well.
 
Path_Finder said:
ISIS from what I understand, mainly grew inside Syria. Russia supports the oppressive regime that fired at protesters for merely being in the street. ISIS has Russian made weapons as well.
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You wont find too many people who would claim Assad to be an angel. But if i had a choice as too who to live under. Then i know who i would choose. At least as a Christian i could live under Assad in retaliative safety. And if i was living in Syria i would be thanking God everyday for Russia. And you do know that China, Pakistan and a few other countries make the AK style Assault rifle? Just because Obama’s warriors have AK’s doesn’t mean Russia gave it to them. Plus you will see IS in U.S built humvee’s, trucks etc. Does it mean The U.S is funding IS? O wait bad choice. You will see a lot of Toyota’s and other Japanese makes of 4wd’s used by IS. Does that mean Japan is funding them?
 
I will only add this: I don’t always agree with McCain but I do admire him. He was held for years as a Viet Cong POA and when given the chance to get out (as he was the son of a big shot) he declined and sent another man in his place. He still can’t lift one of his arms all the way from the torture he endured in that camp over all those years. I sincerely believe that he is a man of principal–which doesn’t mean that he can’t be wrong, but it does make me believe that he is trying his best for this country…

And then we have Obama who never served in the military or even held a real job outside of a “community organizer”. (Big WOO!) Obama is friends with people like Bill Ayers and in the 6 years that he has been president, every single thing he has touched was done so with arrogance and is worse off for his involvement. I at least respect Senator McCain and believe he has a clue what is going on in this world. I do NOT respect Obama. He loves playing golf, wasting our tax money on vacations and every perk that his office gives him. However, he is clueless! And worst of all, he doesn’t even CARE that he’s clueless—as long as he can raise money for his presidential library, he’s a happy little camper!
 
Starrsmother said:
I will only add this: I don’t always agree with McCain but I do admire him. He was held for years as a Viet Cong POA and when given the chance to get out (as he was the son of a big shot) he declined and sent another man in his place. He still can’t lift one of his arms all the way from the torture he endured in that camp over all those years. I sincerely believe that he is a man of principal–which doesn’t mean that he can’t be wrong, but it does make me believe that he is trying his best for this country…

And then we have Obama who never served in the military or even held a real job outside of a “community organizer”. (Big WOO!) Obama is friends with people like Bill Ayers and in the 6 years that he has been president, every single thing he has touched was done so with arrogance and is worse off for his involvement. I at least respect Senator McCain and believe he has a clue what is going on in this world. I do NOT respect Obama. He loves playing golf, wasting our tax money on vacations and every perk that his office gives him. However, he is clueless! And worst of all, he doesn’t even CARE that he’s clueless—as long as he can raise money for his presidential library, he’s a happy little camper!
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Certainly, we can respect McCain. But we can also disagree with his positions on foreign interventions. IMHO, these interventions by the USA do not solve anything, but are costly and in some cases, only serve to create more problems, making the situation worse than before. Take for example, the intervention in 1953 which resulted in the overthrow of a highly popular and honest leader, Mossadegh of Iran.
 
Tomdstone said:
Certainly, we can respect McCain. But we can also disagree with his positions on foreign interventions. IMHO, these interventions by the USA do not solve anything, but are costly and in some cases, only serve to create more problems, making the situation worse than before. Take for example, the intervention in 1953 which resulted in the overthrow of a highly popular and honest leader, Mossadegh of Iran.
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You don’t even have to go back so far. The Iraqi War is a prime example. Yes, the Iraqi people didn’t fare so well under Saddam Hussein, but just look at what we have now, apart from the fact the US had no business there in the first place. On this I agree with Obama, who from the beginning voted against the war. If it were up to McCain as President, we would still be immersed in Iraq, Afghanistan, in addition to Iran and Syria, with no policy for withdrawal.
 
Starrsmother said:
I will only add this: I don’t always agree with McCain but I do admire him. He was held for years as a Viet Cong POA and when given the chance to get out (as he was the son of a big shot) he declined and sent another man in his place. He still can’t lift one of his arms all the way from the torture he endured in that camp over all those years. I sincerely believe that he is a man of principal–which doesn’t mean that he can’t be wrong, but it does make me believe that he is trying his best for this country
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Hitler was a decorated war hero. He didn’t smoke or drink and loved animals
 
meltzerboy said:
You don’t even have to go back so far. The Iraqi War is a prime example. Yes, the Iraqi people didn’t fare so well under Saddam Hussein, but just look at what we have now, apart from the fact the US had no business there in the first place. On this I agree with Obama, who from the beginning voted against the war. If it were up to McCain as President, we would still be immersed in Iraq, Afghanistan, in addition to Iran and Syria, with no policy for withdrawal.
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True.
 
Putin was KGB for an empire that killed 80,000,000, the Russians, Bolsheviks and Stalin committed genocide on the Ukrainians, the Russians have no business there.

Russia has sponsored Assad who has killed way more than ISIS, the Russians killed all of the innocents on that airliner.

The demographics is getting to where Russians will be a minority in their own nation and that’s why they may be looking for conquests.
 
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