Joseph Smith's translation of the Bible

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No they are Freemasons.
Jews have issues with them because they were running around doing their baptizing for the dead at Holocaust mass graves.
 
I once heard of that, it is wrong 100%, let Jews be Jews, don’t make them Mormons.
 
@gazelam

I am Catholic, and I have a rich spiritual tradition to learn from. Have you read “Story of a Soul” or the “Interior Castle”? Do you know anything about the spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius?

My guess is no.

The Book of Mormon is not important to me. Neither is Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. Nor is the Watchtower.

And the works I listed are not important to you.
 
Like I said in an earlier post…The Book of Mormon is just a religious fictional tale. It is a nice addition to English religious tales like Paradise Lost or The Pilgrims Progress. If it was only promoted as a work of fiction, which it is, I may even be a fan. The other two I listed have some anti Catholic things written in them as well, but my faith is strong enough that it doesn’t effect me.
 
You could also add Dan Brown, though I love his work (talking about his stories, not theology) and I’m taking his class.
 
Oh I own all five of the Robert Landon books.
That new one, Origin was all right.
I think Angels and Demons is my favorite book.
 
Prodigal1984 said:
For a while he was just basically an athiest. The unfortunate thing from what he tells me is that most former Mormons are just atheists.
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I believe that is correct. Mormonites claim to have this unique knowledge of the nature of God and that every other religion is wrong, corrupt, abominable, etc. So when they find out that most everything about Mormonism was a lie, they have no where else to go. That was me as well. I didn’t actually become full Monty atheist, but I did doubt the existence of God. Then I figured out that I was just worshiping the wrong God. The Mormon God never cared much for me, and quite frankly, the feelings were/are mutual. I don’t care for him.

Being a Mormonite was torment and misery. Being an ex-Mormon is nothing short of joy and happiness. Being Catholic is icing on the cake.
 
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Most able to recognize the correct answer for seven general questions about the Bible and five elements of Christianity.

Questions like, what is the first book of the Bible? …are not questions that someone who is well catechized should know. A well catechized Christian knows the Christian faith. Knowing that Genesis is a book of the Bible is sufficient. One does not need to memorize the table of contents of the Bible to be well catechized.

The question, “What is Catholic teaching about bread and wine in Communion? They become body and blood, or are symbols?”. Is a catechetical type question. That only 55% of Catholics answered correctly, is a valid point about not being well catechized. The survey didn’t ask people why they didn’t know the questions about their own faith. Mormons were 40% on this one, which, says to me that Mormons are being taught about Catholicism and I’m guessing most likely it’s not in a framework of Christian catechizing but in one of Mormon superiority to everyone else.

At any rate, this survey has one question out of 32 that would be about catechesis. The rest are trivial pursuit kind of questions.
 
Prodigal1984 said:
And then one of their prophets in the 60s said no man ever would walk on the moon. But Quakers already live there I thought?
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In 1961, the prophet Joseph Fielding Smith said:

“We will never get a man into space. This earth is man’s sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.”
 
Prodigal1984 said:
Yah. They have a prophet by election 😂
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I don’t think that’s true. They have 12 apostles, 1 prophet, and 2 counselors. When someone dies this group chooses someone to take their place and when the Prophet dies the successor is chosen by seniority from within this group. All the church members do is sustain them.
 
I wonder what the Mormon will say to that? Rambam said the same, but he never said it revelation of sorts, just his opinion, so it had no halachic basis to begin with, it was hashkafa.
 
huck said:
I don’t think that’s true. They have 12 apostles, 1 prophet, and 2 counselors. When someone dies this group chooses someone to take their place and when the Prophet dies the successor is chosen by seniority from within this group. All the church members do is sustain them.
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All fifteen of them are “prophets, seers and revelators.” When “the Prophet” dies, the first presidency ceases to exist and you have 14 apostles. And like you said, the senior apostle becomes the next president.
 
Lemuel said:
All fifteen of them are “prophets, seers and revelators.” When “the Prophet” dies, the first presidency ceases to exist and you have 14 apostles. And like you said, the senior apostle becomes the next president.
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I was only semi active for about a year so you would know more than me. So when a counselor dies do they make one of the present apostle’s a counselor or do they select a new person to be counselor.
 
@Rabbi

Mary Baker Eddy, founder of the Christian Science movement, wrote “Science and Health With Key to the Scriptures.” (It’s easy to Google.) Christian Science is one of the Christianity-based movements that sprang up in the U.S. during the 19th century. In addition to Mormons and Christian Scientists, Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses appeared in that time. The JWs publish the Watchtower. If you live in the U.S., I’m sure JW missionaries have knocked on your door.

 
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I’ve never heard of them calling a new person and making them a counselor but I don’t think it violates any protocol. Seems to me a person ought to know the ropes in order to be a member of the first presidency.
 
njlisa said:
@gazelam

I am Catholic, and I have a rich spiritual tradition to learn from. Have you read “Story of a Soul” or the “Interior Castle”? Do you know anything about the spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius?

My guess is no.

The Book of Mormon is not important to me. Neither is Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. Nor is the Watchtower.

And the works I listed are not important to you.
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I find it curious that you asked me about disputed historical references in the Book of Mormon (elephants and horses - perhaps because it might undercut Latter-day Saint belief), only to later state that you find comfort in the Catholic spiritual tradition. Do you believe that questionable Catholic historical events (i.e., False Decretals, Cadaver Synod, Bad Popes, Synod of Elvira, etc.) undercut the rich spiritual tradition you treasure?

And, what benefits do you derive from the Catholic writings you cited? Thanks in advance!
 
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Rabbi said:
He also killed a man with a gun before his death. How can you follow him?
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Joseph Smith was firing into a mob intent on killing him while he was incarcerated. Moses also killed a man before his death and claimed once to be able to get water from a rock. How can you follow him (if you do)?
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Maybe I’m missing something, I’d like to learn more though, please, no offense.
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None taken. 🙂
Rabbi said:
Well, I’ve also heard that moon thing, and Mormons should answer that, somehow, not sure how, but just should.
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Click here for an explanation of this claim.
Rabbi said:
Both our traditions, though, heavily focus on family values and tradition. That’s a great similarity.
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Hopefully others will see the value in these examples and want to emulate the good.
Rabbi said:
Is it true that Mormons believe they’re Jews? And that Smith was born on Chanukah?
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In a nutshell, we believe that the coming forth of the Book of Mormon is a sign that G-d was commencing the long awaited gathering of scattered Israel as foretold in 1 Kings 17:22, Jeremiah 31:7-12, Ezekiel 36:24, and elsewhere. While some Jews have joined the Church of Jesus Christ, we don’t believe that doing so makes everyone a Jew (in the sense that we now have a claim on Israeli citizenship), but we do believe that we are adopted into the House of Israel. Do you believe a Jew to be just a descendant of Judah, or of Jacob? Or is there another definition of Jewish you prefer?
 
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