joyce meyer

[robwar]

This is an old thread, but since it’s been resurrected, I’ll say that I actually remember surfing through the Christian channels on TV and discovering Joyce Meyer back when I didn’t believe in God.

I found her to be interesting, inspirational, humorous and wise, and I’d watch her from time to time. From what I remember of her show, what she taught was very practical and generally in line with Catholic teaching, and she certainly played at least a small part in my conversion.

She’s definitely better than the con artists and showmen who take up so much Christian TV airtime. I still shudder at my recollections of Benny Hinn.

Being from England you might not be aware that her money and financial handling has come into question and been investigated by a us congressman. There have been many complaints about how she, her husband and children are paid through the ministry. I am not trying to slander her but an easy google search and wikipedia articles on her will bring these issues up. again she is appealing but you need to be very careful.

 

[Bix]

In this thread, more than one peron has stated she was a stepping stone to finding themselves back to God. She is a Christian, believes in the Trinity, and has has helped many people. I’ve only seen her one or two times and don’t recall her stating or endorsing anything anti Catholic and don’t understand why there is such a feeling of closing our ears to anything that is labeled Protestant. God can use anyone or anything to bring us to him.

Many people convert, but if they don’t convert to Catholicism and become a Protestant Christian why is this so wrong? All Christians are our brothers and sisters and should be treated with respect.

 

[Kathryn_Ann]

You said it Irish_Polock keep surfing until you come to ewtn where you will hear sound doctrine and the truth.

Amen and Amen. Keep surfing and stay on EWTN.:nun1::heaven::harp: Sorry, I can’t stand folksy televangelism.

 

[Bix]

What happened to unity???

Threads and posts like some of these are why I can’t refer people who are Protestant to this forum to learn about Catholicism…

I’m not a fan of hers, but have nothing against her. However, these threads go from discussuing is it okay to listen and morph into how little Protestants know, how uninformed they are ( which reads to them as - hey, you’re stupid) and so on. I realize this is not a forum for evangelization, but it’s saddens me that many people don’t realize some people visit here to learn and educate themselves about Catholicism and think before some of their postings…

 

[Lochias]

Joyce Meyer seems like a pleasant enough woman, and her way of being a Christian seems to have at least drawn some closer to Christ. However, I think her beliefs and ways of teaching are very basic, at best, and that her focus on the “health and wealth” stuff so popular with Protestants these days ultimately detracts from the core of our Catholic Faith: Namely, that we follow a Lord who has gently told us that if we are to follow Him, we have to accept our sufferings in this life and bear our crosses as He did. Life is not about being rich and healthy, no matter how Joyce Meyer might want it to be.

Riches and health do not come to everyone; conversely, suffering comes to everyone, no matter your station in life, and the Catholic Church’s recognition of this fact, and the ways we have to cope, through the revelations of the Church, our Lord, the Bible, and the lives of the Saints, are a treasure trove beyond anything Joyce can really offer.

Joyce Meyer claims to have the keys to temporal happiness here on earth; the Church provides us with the keys to eternal life. I find that fact more comforting than anything any TV evangelist can offer.

 

[Lochias]

What happened to unity???

Threads and posts like some of these are why I can’t refer people who are Protestant to this forum to learn about Catholicism…

I’m not a fan of hers, but have nothing against her. However, these threads go from discussuing is it okay to listen and morph into how little Protestants know, how uninformed they are ( which reads to them as - hey, you’re stupid) and so on. I realize this is not a forum for evangelization, but it’s saddens me that many people don’t realize some people visit here to learn and educate themselves about Catholicism and think before some of their postings…

The truth cannot be sugarcoated and tailored to avoid stepping on each individual’s sensitivities. The truth is the truth, and if Protestants are truly hungry to know more about their faith and what they are missing, they should be able to recognize that fact. Personally speaking (and I don’t mean this offensively), I don’t think you give them enough credit.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Joyce meyer is a motivational speaker who motivates others by positive scriptural text under the name of Christianity. This is a new phenomenon developed by Evangelicals who have become very successful motivating people through scripture and motivational speech.

Be careful to discern those things of the “Spirit” from those things of the “flesh” which “feels good” mistakenly replacing those “feel good” emotions and falsely labeling them to be of the Spirit.

These Evangelicals have talent for using motivation of the senses and mis- labeling them as coming from the Spirit (be careful here), not to mention they make a fortune motivating not only individuals but professional business’s who buy into their motivational speeches. Heck I have purchased some of these motivational tapes in the past for professional reasons because they have a scriptural base and song.

Do not replace Truth with every wind of doctrine that tickle the ears.

If you know your Catholic doctrine and Catholic faith, it is easy to pick up and discern these Joyce Meyers when they leave Truth of the Gospels for another to motivate you, it is here when their talents are at their best. Discernment is needed here when one listens to them for entertainment or motivational purposes.

I don’t recommend these such as Joyce Meyer for a well balanced sound (Catholic) Christian doctrinal teaching. Because the focus of their ministry is to motivate you in a positive light using scripture and Christian faith, provided you support their ministry from the positive intake you recieved from their "testimony, entertainment, motivational inspirational message that makes you “feel good”.

I like a good movie, butter pecan and rocky road ice cream that makes me feel good too. But these are not Christian doctrine.

 

[graceandfaith]

Keep Surfing.

 

[Bix]

If we are firm in our beliefs, there is no danger in listening to her or Joel Olsteen, and so on as a means to positively lift our spirits.

She is not my cup of tea, but when I was very ill I listened to and was uplifted by hearing and watching Joel Olsteen years ago. I was not familiar with EWTN. Ultimately, God touched my heart to return to church. I walked into a Catholic parish after having been raised and active in Baptist church all my life. His sermons and talks rejuvenated my spirit when I was unable to go and when I wasn’t ready to make that step. When I first made the step it was into a Catholic church. So, did I take the wrong step? I don’t think so, but partial thanks goes to Olsteen. I knew that was where God wanted me although it made no sense at the time.

Also, I don’t reall ever having to find a slot to place a dollar in the tv in order to listen to him…

I know first hand many blessings come from suffering, but I also know God sometimes simply blesses us because he wants us to be blessed. Sometimes, I think Catholics dwell so much on suffering they miss many beautiful blessings from God.

 

[Kathryn_Ann]

What happened to unity???

Threads and posts like some of these are why I can’t refer people who are Protestant to this forum to learn about Catholicism…

I’m not a fan of hers, but have nothing against her. However, these threads go from discussuing is it okay to listen and morph into how little Protestants know, how uninformed they are ( which reads to them as - hey, you’re stupid) and so on. I realize this is not a forum for evangelization, but it’s saddens me that many people don’t realize some people visit here to learn and educate themselves about Catholicism and think before some of their postings…

Greetings, Bix, and blessings on your day. While I too hope that people of all faiths feel comfortable in posting here and enjoy reading all the replies, I would say that unity is exactly what the Catholic Church stands for (ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith.) Sadly, those of the Protestant faith choose to remain separate from that historic unity. When I became a Catholic convert, I was drawn to learn more about my Faith, and as time is so precious, I turn to Catholic teachers and the Catechism for knowledge. While many televangelists have folksy, light- hearted opinions on all manner of things, I find myself drawn to learn more and more about the historic faith Christ Himself founded, and to avail myself of the wisdom of the Church’s teachers. Perfect unity is found *within *the Church, not without(outside) it. All people are welcome to inquire. All people are free to decide how best to live out their faith journey. I put my trust in the Church Our Lord and Saviour founded.

 

[Bix]

If we are firm in our beliefs, there is no danger in listening to her or Joel Olsteen, and so on as a means to positively lift our spirits.

She is not my cup of tea, but when I was very ill I listened to and was uplifted by hearing and watching Joel Olsteen years ago. I was not familiar with EWTN. Ultimately, God touched my heart to return to church. I walked into a Catholic parish after having been raised and active in Baptist church all my life. His sermons and talks rejuvenated my spirit when I was unable to go and when I wasn’t ready to make that step. When I first made the step it was into a Catholic church. So, did I take the wrong step? I don’t think so, but partial thanks goes to Olsteen. I knew that was where God wanted me although it made no sense at the time.

Also, I don’t reall ever having to find a slot to place a dollar in the tv in order to listen to him…

I know first hand many blessings come from suffering, but I also know God sometimes simply blesses us because he wants us to be blessed. Sometimes, I think Catholics dwell so much on suffering they miss many beautiful blessings from God.

 

[Elisabeth51]

I know first hand many blessings come from suffering, but I also know God sometimes simply blesses us because he wants us to be blessed. Sometimes, I think Catholics dwell so much on suffering they miss many beautiful blessings from God.

I have to agree…I know someone who is very faithful in practice as a Catholic, but he talks like he has to be miserable, that nothing can change, he just has to be that way. To me, he’s walking around with his eyes closed to the blessings God can give him—in friendships, in simple beauty, in just enjoying being alive. He runs from friendships with people like me who are warm and joyful to people who are negative and lonely. I pray for him daily. Me? I’m from a poor family, but we’ve always had what we needed. I never cared much for Joyce Meyer because she is always all dressy and glitzy and I found that distracting, not to mention not hearing much that went in accordance with Church teaching. Still, I don’t see anything wrong with hoping for something good here—but it has to be WHAT we think of as good.

I’ll use personal examples. I don’t expect to be or even want to be rich, but when things are going really badly–as opposed to just ok—it’s great to pray about needed gas money and go to the car in the morning and have a full tank. It has happened. God didn’t give me the lotto, but He gave me a full tank of gas for the week!!! I don’t think He expects us to be miserable all the time, yes we all have our sufferings, but we’re not supposed to be gloomy and miserable either.

Our goal is to get to Heaven, but I don’t see anything wrong with thinking positively, of hoping for something good here, even if it’s something small. God does heal people, I don’t think we have to speak in tongues and have that sort of thing to get that either, I’ve seen healing happen, and it was quiet. I’ve also prayed hard for long hours for healing and still had the situation end in death—my faith in God was not more or less, it was simply God’s will that person x be healed and person y go to Heaven, whether I like it or not.

I agree the prosperity people on tv are overboard and wrong, but a little positive, a little hope, a little love, kindness, joy, gentleness, peace…all those fruits of the Spirit, are good things and they aren’t detached from feelings.

 

[vera_dicere]

I’ve read a few of her books, but never seen her shows. I took some valuable insights frmo her works early in my journey of studying Catholic apologetics, but as others have mentioned, she’s the usual brand of “happy-feel-good” Christainity with not giving the full story.

A lot can be taken from Protestant writers,its a good stepping stone when you’re starting to deepen your faith journey, but it must be taken with a grain of salt as Protestantism is built on a foundation of sand. Its good for making you feel better, and some sensitive souls need that, but end of teh day, you need real sustenance, and that can only be found in the Catholic Church who God gave teh gift of the Eucharist too.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Bix;9069928]Also, I don’t reall ever having to find a slot to place a dollar in the tv in order to listen to him…

You did give when you watched.

I know first hand many blessings come from suffering, but I also know God sometimes simply blesses us because he wants us to be blessed. Sometimes, I think Catholics dwell so much on suffering they miss many beautiful blessings from God.

God used a serpent on a pole to heal people, a staff to turn water into blood. God bless you for hearing God’s voice, for only his sheep hear his voice.

Do you know the Catholic Saints who give witness to Jesus Christ due to their sufferings? And how much joy and love of God they experienced that surpasses all understanding? The life examples of the Catholic Saints sufferings allowed them to Love their enemies and meet their martyrdom with song and rejoicing, without fear.

Suffering our humanity, helps us to Love God and Love our neighbor Truly, which fulfills the law and the prophets. If one learns how to sacrifice and suffer, one learns how to Love. Listen to Jesus teach the blessing bestowed on those who suffer.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be satisfied.
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Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The health and wealth gospel of the “flesh”, went out the door with the old covenant, when the poor and destitute were viewed as not being blessed of God.

The new and everlasting covenant is eternally of the Spirit which does not end, when the flesh returns to dust and the soul rejoices in God eternally.

Do not confuse those things of the flesh with those eternal things of the Spirit.

Grant it Joyce Meyer is a motivational speaker who’s profession is to motivate you. The tool she uses is Scripture combined with faith only. I would’nt go that far as calling her motivational skills and tools as coming from the Spirit that makes you feel good by the senses.

God is God, An emotion stemming from the flesh is not God. How we feel does not determine the presence of God. When we can easily mistaken our good feelings as being God the Holy Spirit.

There is only one way to determine if the Spirit is from God. 1 John 4;2-6