I wasn’t posting the info as proof of Jesus’ “falseness”. Obviously Jews believe he was a false or failed messiah and Christians believe he was/is the Messiah. You are right when you say there is very little mentioned in Talmud of Jesus. And what is mentioned may or may not be references to him. Rambam does mention that Jesus was a predicted false prophet, but I’m unfamilar with that writing. The turth is that Jews don’t put too much emphaisis on this subject, usually.
Agreed. The topic has strayed* just a little*.
Actually, I did a search, and found quite a bit of information about Talmudic references to Christ and Christians:
Thanks Z.
What are you talking about? In any case, this is pretty ancient stuff. It is not a reflection of what Jews believe in or practice today. I referenced it to show that we do know what the Talmud’s opinion is (or was) about Christ and Christians.
Once again Z - Jews (not the Jews that became Catholics and started the Church) do not believe Jesus was the Messiah…
This is very interesting Zerinus. Now I see where Mo got some of his names for us from.
I only have to look at the title of the link to know it is nothing but lies half truths and misdirection. If you’d like, I can start a “Falsifiers of the Talmud” thread, but I would hope it really isn’t necessary and that we are all smart enough to recognize hate sites when we come across them.
You could be right. I am not a student of the Talmud. It is quite possible that some people have tried to distort its teachings–as many have tried to do with LDS. However, going by what little I know, there is probably more than a grain of truth in it. In very distant past hatred of Christ and dislike of Christians was fairly common among the Jews; although during the past 100 years or so that has changed considerably.
who said anything about jews loving jesus. ANd Rambam wrote much later than when the Talmlud was written, in a time when Jews had plenty to complain about regarding how Christians were treating them. And Rambam’s writings are not the Talmud, which is what we were discussing.
Exactly.
Glad to see we’re on the same page.When was the time when they did not have much to complain about regarding how Christians were treating them? Perhaps we can work only within that timeframe so as not to have tainted testimonies about Christians (in another thread of course, since this is going way off topic).
So, persecution of Yemenis by Muslims = Complaints about Christians mistreating Maimonides, how?
Again this was from a letter to a Jewish man being persecuted by Muslims in Yemen. I still don’t get why mentioning his desire to crush Jesus’ bones (good luck finding them) to dust is relevant. It was indicative of a larger cultural anti-Christianity that goes back to the time of early Christianity when certain passages supposedly referring to Jesus were inserted into the Talmud.
Once again, what does this have to do with Jesus or Christianity?
What in the world does this have to do with Mormons running around baptising dead people? If Valke feels that it is more insulting to Jews than to anyone else, let him start a new thread on that. this is way off topic here and Valke has had his day in the sun. Let’s move back to the topic. Which was Mormonism bapitisng the dead.Exactly.
When was the time when they did not have much to complain about regarding how Christians were treating them? Perhaps we can work only within that timeframe so as not to have tainted testimonies about Christians (in another thread of course, since this is going way off topic).
So, persecution of Yemenis by Muslims = Complaints about Christians mistreating Maimonides, how?
Again this was from a letter to a Jewish man being persecuted by Muslims in Yemen. I still don’t get why mentioning his desire to crush Jesus’ bones (good luck finding them) to dust is relevant. It was indicative of a larger cultural anti-Christianity that goes back to the time of early Christianity when certain passages supposedly referring to Jesus were inserted into the Talmud.
Once again, what does this have to do with Jesus or Christianity?
Jesus did not destroy anything by the sword, by violence or by brute force. I don’t see the quotes you provided from my link as a defense of Maimonides’ anti-Christianity. Nowhere is it indicated that he is being persecuted by Christians in these excerpts you shared. Further, it is completely absurd, if he is indirectly referring to Jesus, to say that Christ used “the sword” for anything.
You are right. I apologize for being a party to completely derailing this thread.
No problem. But Valke is an extremely faithful Jew and he tends to bring all things into a discussion of Judaism. Gotta watch him for that. It gets confusing after a while, especially when people come on who don’t like Jews and then we are all mired up. so back to Mormons.
Mormons dont want to grind Jesus’ bones up.No problem. But Valke is an extremely faithful Jew and he tends to bring all things into a discussion of Judaism. Gotta watch him for that. It gets confusing after a while, especially when people come on who don’t like Jews and then we are all mired up. so back to Mormons.
Rambam uses Jesus as an example of one who tried to destroy Judaism/Torah. He is responding to a muslim threat and saying, “Look. This is nothing new. History is full of people who have done things to try and harm Judaism. Look at Jesus, x, y, etc., may their bones be ground to dust”"