Judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional, endangering coverage for 20 million

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DENNYINMI said:
The Republicans screamed about the plan for years, then when given the chance to come up with a better plan altogether they were at odds with what to do, they had none.
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True. The Republican politicians are awful. They don’t have a better plan. But in fairness the problem is the current plan, from the consumer viewpoint, is all about people getting health care paid for by someone else. There isn’t anyone else to rob from.

Politically they can still run against ACA. Politicians love to not solve a problem so they can keep running against it. They can continue to blame the Democrats for out of control health insurance costs and doctors fees. Any solution they would offer wouldn’t help because health insurance companies and mega hospitals control health care now.
DENNYINMI said:
The Affordable Care Act was originally a republican think tank initiative first utilized by then Gov. Romney in Massachusetts, hailed by the conservative Heritage Foundation and persons such as Newt Gingrich and the same
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I don’t consider that foundation or those two politicians to be particularly conservative. They are typical Northeastern Industrialist Republicans, and yes, I know Gingrich represented Georgia.
DENNYINMI said:
The mandate was already a thing of the past, it will indeed hurt those who have health care because of it, especially those below the average median income marker, no one would deny it was expensive for a lot of middle income but for my daughter who falls into the later it was less expensive than through her employer, for sure!
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My old health insurance was less expensive than through my past employer or now. Unfortunately Obamacare made my old plan illegal. As a result health insurance for me tripled. Most people don’t ever bother shopping for health insurance which is part of the problem. People should look into co-ops.
 
Convert3 said:
Maybe…just maybe this will get both sides to talk to each other to come up with something better? I know it’s a pipe dream, but one can hope.
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In my opinion whenever Republicans and Democrats agree on something it is the worst thing. It is something like a horrible war, spy program, or graft spending bill.
 
tomarin said:
I kind of think it’s only a matter of time before something like single payer is created, for better or for worse.
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What’s kind of interesting is that universal healthcare doesn’t have to be single payer. If persons take the time and study some countries who have adopted national healthcare, not all are single payor.

We don’t need to re-invent the wheel. So many civilized post industrialized capital core nations have (save for the buzz word) “universal healthcare” and their citizens love it. They realize they are not islands, they live in community and enjoy having worry free health care without threat (God forbid) that their poor neighbor has it too, and they maintain a freedom of choice. Israel was one of the last nations to provide this type and it has an excellent plan!~ Intelligent!~Why reinvent a wheel when some tweaking to make it ones own may prove beneficial!~Even more intelligent!~

Funny, the ACA was hailed when first thought out by a republican think tank for the simple reason it DID offer market place choice, adopted by Romney in Massachusetts, and hailed by the Heritage Foundation as the answer to the health care problem.

Like I say, kind of funny how that all goes down, eh?
 
DENNYINMI said:
They realize they are not islands, they live in community and enjoy having worry free health care without threat (God forbid) that their poor neighbor has it too, and they maintain a freedom of choice. Israel was one of the last nations to provide this type and it has an excellent plan!
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There is no such thing as ‘worry free health care’. Someone else has to provide your health care. That person has to decide to provide health care to you. The system can either be a private, government, or some kind of mixed system. We have a mixed system with heavy government control.

Personally I’d like to have a system where I can obtain my own health care rather than have the government in charge. Have you ever needed to go to a government office for something? Doctors these days are bad enough but the can’t compare to the awfulness of dealing with the state. I don’t want my health care to be like the DMV.
 
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Some good things do come of bipartisan cooperation. Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, while war is horrible it is sometimes necessary, the Freedom of Information Act, and many others. Sometimes the execution of bipartisan efforts gets off track when the rules associated with the law are partisan.
 
Actually I wouldn’t consider either of those good laws. They are beyond the scope of the federal government and unconstitutional. Those, for me, prove the point.
 
That’s up to the state insurance regulators. Feds can’t force premiums and providers.
 
Unfortunately the state has the ultimate say in insurance and Medicaid. Fed tries to set some policy that’s currently still up in the air.
 
You’re right. When they agree on something we can be sure it adds to the deficit and debt.
 
I wonder if the instant signup will stay. Prior to ACA many had to apply and wait for the application to go through underwriting. Claims too.
 
exnihilo said:
Actually I wouldn’t consider either of those good laws. They are beyond the scope of the federal government and unconstitutional. Those, for me, prove the point.
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Not to derail this thread, but…You consider the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and the Freedom of Information Act to be unconstitutional???

(I assume that you are responding to the post directly above yours. If not…never mind.)
 
ProVobis said:
I wonder if the instant signup will stay. Prior to ACA many had to apply and wait for the application to go through underwriting.
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If the preexisting conditions provision of the ACA goes away, then you will certainly see the underwriting of applications again.
 
Many of those old policies were junk and in some cases fraudulent. So much fine print came with those policies.
 
ChuckB said:
Not to derail this thread, but…You consider the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and the Freedom of Information Act to be unconstitutional???
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Yes, civil rights act and voting rights act are unconstitutional. Now supporters of those might point to the 14th and 15th amendments of the US constitution. Unfortunately those were passed through coercion. What I mean is the federal government passed laws saying states had to vote for them and otherwise engaged in t(name removed by moderator)ot dictatorship tactics to pass them. It was democracy at the point of a gun. Even with those amendments the specifics of the law exceed the power of the federal government. And they are both bad laws.

As for FOIA there is nothing unconstitutional about it. But it is just window dressing. The government still only reveals what it wants to and that excludes the most important information. I mean the information on Kennedy’s and MLK’s assasination who both died before I was born are still hidden.
 
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I still think there is something fundamental missing. The cost of healthcare is absurd partially because the “demand” part of the market is broken. We are focused on how to pay for insurance more so than how to have healthier people (who require less health care).

While getting rid of the pre-existing illness issue was great, I think the next iteration should include incentives to the insured for certain modest health benchmarks. Rebates for appropriate BMI and such or improvements. If you have a condition, rebates for proper management. The rebate would be a percentage of the savings. Ex: diabetics maintaining proper glucose levels. Diabetes if managed is unlikely to result in major complications, poorly managed it can destroy your organs and vision while incurring many ER visits.
 
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A federal judge in Texas threw the health coverage of some 20 million Americans in limbo by ruling Obamacare must be scrapped because Congress struck the penalty for failing to obtain insurance coverage.
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Removing the mandate, makes the law unconstitutional because the law was passed with the mandate.

In other words, Congress was wrong to remove the mandate, which was how the law was designed.

It’s how Romney Care, which Obamacare is based on, was written as well.

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Roberts rules that it’s a tax.

Which he said is ok.
 
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