Judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional, endangering coverage for 20 million

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Inisfallen said:
Roberts didn’t “make up” anything. He wrote an opinion (joined in part by Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan) for the majority of the Court, finding that the individual mandate was a tax.
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yes, he did, the obama people argued it wasn’t a tax. roberts declared the penalty a tax after he earlier declared the penalty not a tax. he played both sides of the argument
Justices Anthony Kennedy, Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas wrote that Roberts not only ignored the plain language used in the legislation — penalty instead of tax –- but also the basic definition of what a tax is. (huffpost)
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upant said:
remember john roberts made up the tax scheme to make it constitutional.

obama and company said the penalty wasn’t a tax.
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I think that argument had already been made in the lower courts, Roberts just supported that line of reasoning. Might have even been Kavanaugh who did it.
 
If your state allows citizens to put initiatives in the ballot, you could work to change your state’s laws regarding insurance regulations.
 
JonNC said:
I like Rand Paul’s plan
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But you could start in your state with an initiative to allow any plan authorized in other states instead of waiting for the federal government to save you. Wouldn’t that be more effective?
 
Never mentioned outcomes or instrumentation either. Of course outcomes were often different before antibiotics. Instrumentation was often different too, as they did not have MRIs, PET scans, CT. And of course they didn’t have the plastics we have now.

That does not mean they did something entirely different in the surgeries.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The surgical procedures in 1922 were very little different from those today. But the costs aren’t, of course.
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Ridgerunner said:
That does not mean they did something entirely different in the surgeries.
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But it means that surgical procedures now and "very little different from 1922. And that difference gives some insight into the difference in costs.
 
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That was a federal district court ruling in Texas that has already been appealed and will likely work its way through the system and probably end up in the SCOTUS.
 
upant said:
because of the RINO’s. one campaigned on it for 8 years then failed to pull the plug when he had the chance.
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Again, Trump and the congressional Republicans have not put forth even one alternative to the ACA.
 
Metis1 said:
Again, Trump and the congressional Republicans have not put forth even one alternative to the ACA.
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Why must there be an alternative to ACA?

When people say this, It makes me think those people don’t understand insurance AT ALL. ACA was mostly a bunch of regs that replaced prior regs on the same issues

We’ve also had medicaid for the poor, for a very long time. States don’t need a ‘replacement’ for ACA to increase their taxes and extend coverage.
 
Inisfallen said:
I say this respectfully and in the spirit of productive debate, but I don’t think you understand what appellate courts do.
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along political lines, there were four for the act and four against the act.

roberts was the swing, he had to justify his vote. roberts got the court to say that, though the law was a tax, it was not a tax.

he owns it.
 
upant said:
along political lines, there were four for the act and four against the act.

roberts was the swing, he had to justify his vote. roberts got the court to say that, though the law was a tax, it was not a tax.

he owns it.
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Why do you blame Roberts?

Congress does have the right to tax, even very bad taxes are within their power. We the people have the ability to get such taxes changed, which is where we are today. Roberts simply put the responsibility for ACA where it belongs, in congress.
 
So you don’t have an argument that there “must” be an alternative, you just want there to be one.

Yes, I’d be curious to see Trump’s idea of ‘insurance for everybody’. If I had the ability, I would make it catastrophic coverage for everybody. That could be offered at a more affordable price and mandated as a tax again.
 
Theo520 said:
So you don’t have an argument that there “must” be an alternative, you just want there to be one.
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Well, sure, I absolutely want there to be one. While I think the ACA (“Obamacare”) was a big step in the right direction, it has its flaws. For one thing, it’s not really national health insurance, it’s just a set of regulations for private sector insurance companies, combined with subsidies and (in the past) the individual mandate.

What President Trump promised actually sounded better. Now is the time for him to show us what he was talking about.
 
“They” keep saying 20 million MAY loose healthcare… What about the other 300 million who have lost what they had that they were happy with??? What a mess, Ollie!
 
Theo520 said:
Why must there be an alternative to ACA?

When people say this, It makes me think those people don’t understand insurance AT ALL. ACA was mostly a bunch of regs that replaced prior regs on the same issues

We’ve also had medicaid for the poor, for a very long time. States don’t need a ‘replacement’ for ACA to increase their taxes and extend coverage.
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Because around 30 million Americans had no insurance, and the studies by the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University had it that between 40-45,000 Americans died prematurely because of this, plus 70-80% of all personal bankruptcies had healthcare costs as being the largest single factor.

Also, a reminder that Trump promised a replacement but has fudged on that as well with the other Republicans. The off-year election showed that an increasing number of Americans had the Republican healthcare debacle as being the single most important issue that upset people the most.

So, why is it that Trump supporters expect him to fulfill the promise of the wall and yet give him a free pass when it comes to not fulfilling his promise on healthcare reform?
 
petra22 said:
“They” keep saying 20 million MAY loose healthcare… What about the other 300 million who have lost what they had that they were happy with??? What a mess, Ollie!
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They didn’t lose anything due to the ACA, and healthcare inflation was at 9% per year prior to the ACA being passed.
 
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