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Wannano
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I like your answer.
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Wannano
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The Bible would be included in the etc right?
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rcwitness
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I am honored… it means a lot to me, to identify with you.
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goout
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Of course, but only in the context of the risen Christ.The Bible would be included in the etc right?
Christ has a body…
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Peter_J
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Well I think that’s always been an issue, whether the internet existed or not.The thing is though, if I have to make a judgement between what Catholic A and Catholic B states when they both belong to the one and only true church how do I decide who knows what they are talking about? Or are you saying the forum should only be a source of entertainment?!
But here’s the thing: suppose I’m sitting at a table at “coffee hour”, after a Catholic mass or Protestant service, and someone says Blank, and nobody else at the same table (I’m assuming a small table with only one person speaking at a time) disagrees, then I might suppose that they all agree with Blank – I’m not saying I would know that for sure, but it’s not-very-unreasonable to suppose that the others at the table implicitly agreed with Blank by “declining the opportunity to disagree”.
Now suppose that someone instead posts Blank on the internet, let’s say on the Catholic Answers Forum, and suppose that nobody posts a disagreement in reply. In that case, what are we to suppose? Would we say that dozens, hundreds, *thousands *of people “declined the opportunity to disagree” with Blank?? (I’ve had people tell me, quite seriously, that when they participate on CAF they are afraid to put ANYONE on their Ignore List, out of fear that they might subsequently appear to agree with some left-field statement that they didn’t even read.)
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rcwitness
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Blank…
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Michael68
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Here’s something to consider. Catholic A and Catholic B could very well be at different levels in their religious education. Catholic A might be able to give you a reasonable explanation for a certain issue, whereas Catholic B doesn’t know very much about that issue. Catholic B is not educated enough and out of intimidation recite something they vaguely remember from their original studies to be confirmed.The thing is though, if I have to make a judgement between what Catholic A and Catholic B states when they both belong to the one and only true church how do I decide who knows what they are talking about? Or are you saying the forum should only be a source of entertainment?!
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Gabriel_of_12
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My post did not include “all”, I posted specifically about my personal experience and opinion about my attending non-denominational services; “The anti-Catholic (root) rhetoric is preached and taught to them from their leadership, that trickles down, one sided view, and convincing to the hearer and audiences who attend these non-denominational bible study church’s”.
My opinion here addresses non-Catholic (preachers), for example JW’s., Mormons, Seventh day Adventist, who preach and teach anti-Catholic subjects. My post does not address “all” non-denominational Pastors; " I always wondered why, non-Catholics spend so much time preaching and teaching anti-Catholic subjects to their members, instead of preaching and teaching on the mysteries of Christ?
I hope this clarifies my post for you.
Yes, consider yourself “the lucky one”.
It is never a Catholic Teaching or practice, to ever pass judgment on anyone’s personal salvation, we struggle as Catholics practicing our biblical principles in “working out our salvation with fear and trembling”.
My Catholic faith preaches and teaches what Jesus revealed to her, in order for one to see and enter the kingdom of God. To my knowledge the term;“un-saved” is not in the vocabulary of the Catholic Church.
In fact, I don’t even know what a non-denominational Church is? According to my experience, the non-denominational Church’s I briefly attended, do not have a creed, no doctrine to follow when I enquired?
Does your non-denominational church profess an apostolic biblical creedal faith? and what apostolic doctrine or other doctrine does your denominational Church follow or teach? I could never get a sound answer from my personal experience?
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rcwitness
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1 Corinthians 15
Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand,2 by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
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Wannano
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I disagree!
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Wannano
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That is logical. Looking in from the outside it is tempting to believe that if the Church dictates what the members are to believe A and B should have it narrowed down fairly closely.
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rcwitness
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Oh right! Definitely not dictated, in that sense.
Luke 12
Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?” And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise steward, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time?..
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Peter_J
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It seems like, in all the years that I have been on CAF, this ^^ has been the refrain that Protestant posters use as an excuse for the gotchas like “Somebody on CAF and note that means one single Catholic, usually of the so-called Traditionalist variety] said Blank, so there!”
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Wannano
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I am getting the picture…
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TC3033
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Thank you, I will consider myself the lucky one.
Rather than hi-jack this thread to defend my church, I’ll just choose to move on. It is a bible centric church, where…funny enough…we study and read many of the same bible stories that the Catholic Church does and then take those teachings and apply them to life today. There a some times where I couldn’t tell you if I’m listening to a non-denom or Catholic sermon, depending upon the priest. I’ve just been taken back by this board a little bit to find out how distained non-denominational Christians are. I was never raised to distain or “hate” other Christians, I’m honestly surprised that it happens. I’m a little damaged by a couple of Parrish’s that I’ve been in. I’ve probably had the same experience that you have, only reversed.
I understand that “un-saved” isn’t Catholic vocab. To bring it up, it does kind of prove a current point in the thread. Like I said, I didn’t even realize this was a thing until I started going to Mass. The thing is, you can put Catholic A and Catholic B together again and can get two different answers. Many posters in here say yes, you’re only saved if you are Catholic, others say the opposite.
There was a thread going on here a week or so ago where lines in the Catechism state that if you’re non-Catholics won’t make it into heaven.
Who’s right and who’s wrong?
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rcwitness
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When the Catholic faith recognizes a potential saving faith in non-Catholic Christian communities, it is based on them believing in the same Catholic foundations of “whoever believes and is Baptized” and even that which is professed in the ancient creeds of the Church. In this sense, they are Catholic, yet imperfect in their division.
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Wannano
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Yes, I agree, we who are non-Catholic deserve an authoritative answer that isn’t dependent on the traditionalism or liberalism of the individual Catholic person answering.
I don’t waste my time worrying about it when a JW or Mormon etc tells me I am headed in the wrong direction. I have enough respect for the Catholic Church that if it is telling me I won’t make it to heaven it has my attention. My current understanding is that is no longer the official position of the Catholic Church. Therefore, I feel we are all brothers and sisters in Christ’s body of believers and if I am just one of the lowly toes in the body I am quite satisfied.
Those dirty stinking twisted insignificant toes are essential to maintaining the balance of the whole body.
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Michael68
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I am of the opinion, and this is MY opinion, that preachers who preach against Christ’s Church founded on Peter, will have a hard time getting in.
Just my opinion, I repeat, my opinion
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rcwitness
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If you are referring to Unam Sanctam, I belief it’s principle stands. When the Church declares that those in separated communities were born into and through these communities have a saving faith, it is doing so in context that it is through no fault of their own that they are separated. The Holy Body and Blood of His Eucharist was given to unite and keep us in Himself. To be saved and then knowingly reject this, is to be in danger of denying the faith which brought them to salvation by belief and Baptism.
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