"Justice for Immigrants" and USCCB

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What is objectionable about your observation is that it takes no account of reality; it simply implies that good people support open borders, while evil people oppose them. You might object that you’ve said nothing about open borders, but either the borders are closed at some point or they are open, and if you allow closing them at all then this “You’re not a Good Samaritan” objection applies.

Aquinas expressed the only reasonable position, something your observation ignores.

Absolutely speaking it is impossible to do good to every single one.
Open border fanatics completely ignore Church teachings on ‘subsidiarity’. Primary responsibility for the poor in Mexico etal belongs to their local Church and their wealthy people. Yes we can help them but expecting the US to supplant them destroys subsidiarity, which works quite well when practiced.
 
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It is a slap or kick in the face for a poor Laotian immigrant who has to stand in line while someone from Honduras crosses the border illegally and gets rewarded with citizenship in the name of social justice.
 
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Open border fanatics completely ignore Church teachings on ‘subsidiarity’. Primary responsibility for the Poor in Mexico etal belongs to the Church and their wealthy people. Yes we can help them but expecting the US to supplant them destroys subsidiarity, which works quite well when practiced.
What is regrettably overlooked in the calls to care for the migrant is consideration of the impact they will have on the existing population, a consideration the church has not overlooked even though it is regularly ignored by those who argue against controlled entry.

It is obviously the task of Governments to regulate the migratory flows with full respect for the dignity of the persons and for their families’ needs, mindful of the requirements of the host societies. (JPII, 90th World Day of Migrants, 2004)
 
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It is a slap or kick in the face for a poor Laotian immigrant who has to stand in line while someone from Honduras crosses the border illegally and gets rewarded with citizenship in the name of social justice.
Coincidentally there are a lot of people in my town from Laos.

And they did it the “right way” and didn’t try to get freebies.

And some of them were some of the most decent and hard-working people I ever met. I’ll never forget one of them; he knew little English and came over here with no skills, but before long he was able to buy a house.

A lot of immigrants in fact seem to be some of the best and proudest Americans, and, after all they had to do to become citizens, they don’t seem to be too pleased about other people just jumping the border.
 
Are people here familiar with this? Justice for Immigrants? Why are the US bishops trying to overturn US immigration policy?
The suspicion of overreach on immigration policy goes higher than the USCCB.

Catholic social teaching on this issue – sovereignty and subsidiarity vs. globalism and solidarity – is long and I do not believe ever elevates one goal as dominate over the other. Therefore, the balancing must be prudential.

 
Therefore, the balancing must be prudential.
This is exactly the point: a balance must be struck between what is good for those wishing to immigrate, and what is good for the receiving population. As you say, it is a prudential concern. It is not a moral choice and it is extremely unhelpful to suggest that those who raise concerns about the negative effects on the country are somehow immoral or unchristian.
 
@Ender…

If you see those implications in the story of the Good Samaritan, you will have to take that up with Jesus. I did not write that story, nor did I intend those implications, which makes this a straw man.

Honestly, I do not know why people struggle so mightily to discredit our bishops. You would think this was a CARM forum.
 
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If you see those implications in the story of the Good Samaritan, you will have to take that up with Jesus.
Jesus didn’t tell that story in the context of US immigration; you did, presumably for a reason. If you’d like to share with us what you meant to imply by that post in this context that would probably be helpful.
 
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If you see those implications in the story of the Good Samaritan, you will have to take that up with Jesus.
Jesus didn’t tell that story in the context of US immigration; you did, presumably for a reason. If you’d like to share with us what you meant to imply by that post in this context that would probably be helpful.
It may be worthwhile to review in exactly what context did tell that story. It was in response to a lawyer who asked Jesus “…then who is my neighbor?” It was not a very specific context. It is applicable any time the question comes up as to who is my neighbor. That is a reasonable way to look at the issue of immigration, because we would treat immigrants differently if we truly considered them to be our neighbors. The story of the Good Samaritan describes two people of different political identities, belonging to different cultural and governmental entities. The parallels are right there. It is not a stretch to see them.
 
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Loud-living-dogma:
Wait – the good Samaritan didn’t just think the government should take care of everyone?
And the good Samaritan did not take the man into his house but to a Motel 6.
He also didn’t
a) have him locked in a cage
b) tell him to go get a job and stop being lazy and expecting other people to support him
c) demand that a wall be built to keep his sort out of Israel
d) demonise him as a terrorist or criminal
e) blame him for taking Israeli jobs and ruining Israel’s economy
f) have him booted out back over the Samarian border because he hadn’t filled in his forms in gajiplicate and waited the requisite zillion years to enter legally

In short he did NOT say “not my problem”, as so many critics of immigration tend to do. Jesus said “what you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me”. He didn’t make any distinction between those living nearby or in one’s own country and those who have come from further afield.
 
Is it a moral issue to run a red light, speed, drive while intoxicated? Why? These are LAWS put in place to protect others. The same thing applies to illegal immigrants. A minority of illegals are good hard working ethical people looking to make a better life, who may not even realize there is a legal, moral way to enter. But the majority of illegals are and want to be illegal (undocumented, unknown) for a reason, because they would never get in legally… this isn’t a conflict about good people wanting to make a better life, because we all agree legal immigrants are LEGAL and welcomed.
The false narrative is that Americans are HATEFUL! We are not. The USCCB should help anybody who is in need, but they should read what St Thomas Aquainas has to say about immigration and allowing “an outsider” in.
 
So, are you at the border right now picking up a family to care for? If your going to be the good samaritan, it can’t just be here on a forum with words. Really go do it. Until that happens, legals and illegals are just that. Potential citizens, whom our tax dollars and tithes support, or criminals, whom we end up supporting anyway with our tax dollars through illegal means (ie, fake ids), or in our prison system. A wall will help stop the illegal part of that.

Sick and tired of people against the wall pretending like all of us supporters hate immigration. We hate ILLEGAL immigration. Why is that concept so hard to grasp.
 
A minority of illegals are good hard working ethical people looking to make a better life, who may not even realize there is a legal, moral way to enter.
Bre, save your energy .I do not need to be “ convinced” you are not hateful as a people. In fact, quite lovable.
Now, listen please. Let us drop our tomatoes for a while…
There is no legal path for a person who has no money in their homelands. Aside from the brief H visas. Couldn’t even apply for a tourist visa. Much less think of a type of L when you can move in even temporarily with your family to work.
I agree one doesn t enter anybody’ s house through the window. I also agree with you that there are some persons that use windows as thieves. I agree that many live their own lives as in tents and have no idea of how to move about differently. I agree that as in every house we need basic order.
What we seem not to agree on is that there is no door before throwing tomatoes at those who enter through windows.And complain they do not use a door.
Also listen: I am not saying that you must install a door so as to allow people to normally come in and out and stop using windows…I am saying that it is futile discussion without at least coming to an agreement as to whether there is a door. And that isn t but fact checking. Observable, readable data. Objective data we can agree to take as reliable as is your own Homeland Security web site and visas .
Where is the 🚪 door?
Now, proceed with the tomatoes! (!I will be running away! 🙂
 
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Is there supposed to be a door for absolutely everyone who wants to enter, that is supposed to be open all the time? Does Mexico have such a door to her neighbor countries? Are all countries expected to have this door, to let in everyone at all times, with no check on criminal background, and health issues? Does any country have such a door?
 
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He also didn’t
a) have him locked in a cage
He wasn’t trespassing.
b) tell him to go get a job and stop being lazy and expecting other people to support him
The man was not reported to be unemployed or lazy.
c) demand that a wall be built to keep his sort out of Israel
d) demonise him as a terrorist or criminal
e) blame him for taking Israeli jobs and ruining Israel’s economy
f) have him booted out back over the Samarian border because he hadn’t filled in his forms in gajiplicate and waited the requisite zillion years to enter legally
This diatribe as a progression of nonsensical claims as emanating from the Good Samaritan parable is quite irrational. Do you have a point?
 
So, are you at the border right now picking up a family to care for? If your going to be the good samaritan, it can’t just be here on a forum with words. Really go do it. Until that happens, legals and illegals are just that…
You will never make me feel embarrassed for siding with the clergy of our Church.
 
It may be worthwhile to review in exactly what context did tell that story. It was in response to a lawyer who asked Jesus “…then who is my neighbor?” It was not a very specific context. It is applicable any time the question comes up as to who is my neighbor. That is a reasonable way to look at the issue of immigration, because we would treat immigrants differently if we truly considered them to be our neighbors. The story of the Good Samaritan describes two people of different political identities, belonging to different cultural and governmental entities. The parallels are right there. It is not a stretch to see them.
The story is about someone in extreme distress at your literal feet.

We already clothe, feed, and give medical care to illegal immigrants before deporting them.

We offer Asylum to legit refugees that are at risk when they go home.

We don’t offer asylum for many situations where there is a stable govt more than capable of providing protection from a spouse etc. That’s called SUBSIDIARITY, since their home govt is responsible for such care and protection.
 
I’m not trying to make anybody feel embarrassed. I don’t really care how you “feel”, that’s most of the problem. People live by and act on emotion rather than think about the consequences of what they ste saying and doing. You didn’t answer the question either. Are you taking a family in? Are you sending money to the USCCB earmarked for this cause? What are you physically doing? If nothing, actions speak louder…
 
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