JW's and CHRIST'S RESURRECTION

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No, the “anointed” JWs do not receive glorified bodies.
They believe they will be changed into 100% pure spirit beings
at their heavenly resurrection.

JWs do not believe that Jesus is Divine, if we use
the word Divine (as nearly all Chrstians do) to mean DEITY.

They would say that he is “divine” in the sense that
Jesus/Michael is a superhuman mighty angelic spirit being.

Jaypeeto4
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No, the “anointed” JWs do not receive glorified bodies.
They believe they will be changed into 100% pure spirit beings
at their heavenly resurrection.

JWs do not believe that Jesus is Divine, if we use
the word Divine (as nearly all Chrstians do) to mean DEITY.

They would say that he is “divine” in the sense that
Jesus/Michael is a superhuman mighty angelic spirit being.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
Why would he have to be born of a virgin then?:confused:
Our Jesus was. So that he could share in our humanity, so that we could share in his divinity.👍

What does the JW jesus share with them?
 
The idea that Jesus did not PHYSICALLY rise from the dead is actually one of the weakest claims that can be made. And to even QUESTION this puts the Gospel testimonies in serious question of reliability. The significance that He was actually put bodily in the tomb (rather than left on the cross for example) cannot be overstated. Guards were put there for a purpose:
“give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised”
(Mat 27:64)

12When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ … And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day. -Mt 28
This would not have been an issue for the Gospel if Jesus were only going to rise as a spirit. Further, more VERY significant details:
He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.
-Mt 28:6

6"Don’t be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7But go, tell his disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’ " -Mk 16

2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7’The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ "
-Lk 24

2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” … 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus’ head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen.
-Jn 20
It is literally unthinkable that the four Gospel writers meant anything short of a PHYSICAL BODY Resurrection. EACH reference indicates they:
1)LOOKED for a BODY
2)Did NOT find the BODY
3)Were TOLD He was resurrected and SAW Him.
There are TWO options the BIBLE says, either the Apostles stole the body or Jesus literally resurrected in the flesh.
 
Oh, I dont want to forget one of my FAVORITE passages of the Bibel:
3This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25David said about him: **
" 'I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
26Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
27
because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.**
28You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.'e] 29"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ,f] that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.
-Acts 2
PRAISE TO YOU LORD JESUS CHRIST, KING OF ENDLESS GLORY!
 
I’m not defending the JW position,

31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ,[f] that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.

but a typical JW answer to this, which I used to hear all the time, is that Jesus’s body DIDN’T go through the process of decay but was **instantaneously dissolved **into nothingness by God.

I don’t agree with it, but there it is.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
I’m not defending the JW position,

31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ,[f] that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.

but a typical JW answer to this, which I used to hear all the time, is that Jesus’s body DIDN’T go through the process of decay but was **instantaneously dissolved **into nothingness by God.

I don’t agree with it, but there it is.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
Okay, I see the verses, but where does it say God The Father dissolved The Body of Christ?

Where do they get this from?
 
Okay, I see the verses, but where does it say God The Father dissolved The Body of Christ?

Where do they get this from?
i have no idea. it certainly does not say that in the Bible. just another one of the governing body’s cuckoo explanations. :rolleyes:
 
RE: Christ being the Archangel Michael
It was just a side point thrown in… in an attempt to discredit JW’s…
I agree that this should be discussed in a seperate thread, but it is actually germain to the point of the thread. Who is Christ and how was he resurrected. By your response I think you see this position which is held by the JW’s is quite undefensible from a biblical perspective.

The most important point to answer, biblesteve, is what we are told in John’s Gospel. Jesus said that if the temple were destroyed he would resurrect it in three days…that he was talking about the temple of his BODY. So, by Christ’s own words, it was HIS BODY that would be resurrected…how do you get around this?
 
… Jesus said that if the temple were destroyed he would resurrect it in three days…that he was talking about the temple of his BODY. So, by Christ’s own words, it was HIS BODY that would be resurrected…how do you get around this?
Jesus Christ gave his life as a ransom sacrifice (Matt 20:28)

If you look up the words “ransom” and “sacrifice” you’ll note that it refers to something given up, destroyed, paid…… it doesn’t refer to immediately taking the ransom or sacrifice back… it’s gone…

Think about the sacrifice that prefigured Christ’s… What happened to the bodies of the animals that were sacrificed on the alter? They were consumed… they were gone… the sacrifice wasn’t taken back….

That’s what a “sacrifice” means… it’s gone… it’s not taken back.

Jesus, like other humans lived in a physical body of flesh and blood… but what about the details regarding his body when he was resurrected?

(1 Corinthians 15:42-57) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven. 48 As the one made of dust [is], so those made of dust [are] also; and as the heavenly one [is], so those who are heavenly [are] also. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one. 50 However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, but the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

So we see that Jesus was resurrected, but not in his fleshly body, which was given as a ransom sacrifice. Jesus, when resurrected, was the same person, the same personality, in a new body made for his new dwelling place, the spiritual heavens.

(1 Peter 3:18) Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.
 
So we see that Jesus was resurrected, but not in his fleshly body, which was given as a ransom sacrifice. Jesus, when resurrected, was the same person, the same personality, in a new body made for his new dwelling place, the spiritual heavens.

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am confused. What is this new body?
 
am confused. What is this new body?
(1 Corinthians 15:42-57) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. 44** It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body**. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 Nevertheless,** the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual.**
 
am confused. What is this new body?
1 Cor 15:35-41

Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; 37and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain, it may be, of wheat or any one of the rest; 38but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and to each of the seeds its own body. 39Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40** And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort**. 41The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, star differs from star in glory.
 
(1 Corinthians 15:42-57) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. 44** It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body**. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual.
The body of Christ was not sown in corruption or dishonor!

😦

Those poor JW’s. They have a Jehovah that would dissolve Jesus Christ, and think nothing of it. Now this misinterpretation too.
 
And talking about Jesus…

If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual.
 
Steve, i want your understanding of this different body. What do you mean by different?
 
Steve, i want your understanding of this different body. What do you mean by different?
Paul’s discussion is regarding the physical body of flesh and blood that we humans currently live in. Then, he talks about a different body, after one dies… the body in which the resurrection occurs for those destined in live in heaven… he describes it as a spiritual body and emphasizes this is different… it’s not flesh and blood… but it’s a spiritual body.
 
Paul’s discussion is regarding the physical body of flesh and blood that we humans currently live in. Then, he talks about a different body, after one dies… the body in which the resurrection occurs for those destined in live in heaven… he describes it as a spiritual body and emphasizes this is different… it’s not flesh and blood… but it’s a spiritual body.
does spiritual mean spirit? is that what you mean that Jesus appeared as a spirit?
 
Paul’s discussion is regarding the physical body of flesh and blood that we humans currently live in. Then, he talks about a different body, after one dies… the body in which the resurrection occurs for those destined in live in heaven… he describes it as a spiritual body and emphasizes this is different… it’s not flesh and blood… but it’s a spiritual body.

JWs simply do not understand the correct sense of the scriptures.
Jesus told the Jews he would raise his own body. (John 2).
Paul tells us that the resurrection BODY is Spiritual not pure Spirit.

JWs get confused over how to interpret this because they deny the Incarnation as we Christians have always understood it.
Namely,
God is Pure Spirit.
Jesus is God the Son of God, by nature PURE SPIRIT.
Without CEASING to be Spirit for one instant,
The Word wedded human nature to his Pure Spirit Divinity at the Incarnation in Mary’s womb. He had then his ever-living Divinity wedded to a human soul and body.
Jesus was Killed on the cross. His Divinity and Soul never went out of existence, as JWs think. Thus Jesus never ceased also being a Spirit, even as his body lay in the grave.
God - the Father AND the Son AND the Holy Spirit
raised the Body of Jesus on the third day in glorified form,
containing glorified flesh, bones and blood, a spiritual body.
The same body, only glorified. Jesus took this body and blood into heaven’s (most) holy place, as Paul, in Hebrews, clearly and directly and infallibly asserts. The Last Adam, Jesus, became a “life giving” spirit at his resurrection and his ascension, not in the sense that he suddenly became a spirit being, because Jesus, even while living on earth for 33-1/2 years, never ceased being alive as a Spirit wedded to human flesh. He was raised with his body spiritualized, which continues to contain the wound-marks of his suffering, which REAL wound marks he showed to His Apostles.
He is, while a glorified, spiritualized man, a life-giving spirit in that He imparts the divine nature to us, we become partakers of it.
The First Adam could not do that. He could not have done that even if he had NOT fallen into sin.

This is what the early Christians taught. This is what the
scriptures teach when correctly Interpreted. This is what TRUE Christianity has always taught, not the “Another Jesus” of the WTS.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Bare with him, i know next to nothing about JW but what do you mean they don’t believe in incarnation? how did Jesus come then?

and am i correct that they understand Spiritual as spirit? that it has to do with matter?
 
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