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Here’s another question for JW’s.

In Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is referred to as “Mighty God”:
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Jehovah is also referred to as “Mighty God” in Isaiah 10:20-21.
The Remnant of Israel
20 In that day the remnant of Israel,
the survivors of the house of Jacob,
will no longer rely on him
who struck them down
but will truly rely on the LORD,
the Holy One of Israel.
21 A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob
will return to the Mighty God.
How can this be if there is only one God (1Corinthians 8:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6), and the Trinity does not exist as you claim? :confused:
 
BibleSteve, I don’t see any example where I’ve hurled an insult, just pointed out a problem with the examples I’ve been given.

The Jehovah’s Witness website claims that Thomas said “My Lord and my God” as an exclamation. If this is true, then Thomas took the Lord’s name in vain, and if this is true, Jesus should have rebuked him for it, but he did not but instead affirmed his statement.

If Jesus is not God, and Thomas was clearly speaking to him (check your NWT and show me how it’s possible that the pronoun usage does not indicate so), then Jesus should have rebuked him for idolatry.

Jesus did not rebuke him, but said “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

So from those three lines in the Bible we know that
  1. Thomas referred to Jesus as “My Lord and My God.” It says so very clearly in the Bible.
  2. Jesus did not rebuke him for saying so.
  3. Therefore, Jesus is God.
I haven’t seen anything in the JW literature you’ve posted that can refute that.
Nice. 👍
 
BibleSteve,
  1. You still have not answered the question concerning Thomas and “My Lord and my God”.
  2. I will continue to pray that you escape from the clutches of the Falsetower.
 
BibleSteve,
  1. You still have not answered the question concerning Thomas and “My Lord and my God”.
  2. I will continue to pray that you escape from the clutches of the Falsetower.
Good. 👍
 
Here’s another question for JW’s.

In Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is referred to as “Mighty God”:

Jehovah is also referred to as “Mighty God” in Isaiah 10:20-21.

How can this be if there is only one God (1Corinthians 8:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6), and the Trinity does not exist as you claim? :confused:
And Jesus himself referred to Satan as “god”… and even various men were referred to as “god”. Moses was referred to as “god”…

This was all explained in the link I gave to you.

Why is it that Satan and various men were called “god”?
 
BibleSteve,
  1. You still have not answered the question concerning Thomas and “My Lord and my God”.
This was answered completely in the links I provided earlier in this thread. If you don’t agree with the answer, that is fine. But the question has been answered.
 
And Jesus himself referred to Satan as “god”… and even various men were referred to as “god”. Moses was referred to as “god”…

This was all explained in the link I gave to you.

Why is it that Satan and various men were called “god”?
It’s called symbolism [Moderator removed uncharitable comments[/COLOR]]. Do you not realize that there is a difference between God and god. The Bible often uses god symbolically to show one of high power. [Moderator removed uncharitable comments[/COLOR]]. My suggestions: Leave the JW’s; Take an English course; actually read the Bible. :rolleyes:
 
This was answered completely in the links I provided earlier in this thread. If you don’t agree with the answer, that is fine. But the question has been answered.
No it hasn’t. The answers you JW’s spout out are so ridiculous, it’s almost funny.
 
And Jesus himself referred to Satan as “god”… and even various men were referred to as “god”. Moses was referred to as “god”…

This was all explained in the link I gave to you.

Why is it that Satan and various men were called “god”?
Can you give me examples?

In the examples I gave “God” was capitalized both times.
 
I’m not sure where the assumption that truth or authority must be old.
Sorry to jump into the middle of this conversation, but I felt the need to respond.

The point in something being the Divine truth is that is inherently infinite; it has existed for all time and will exist for all time and therefore is the oldest thing possible. So, if one is to believe that Jesus came to Earth to reveal The Truth to all mankind, then that person must believe that it is inherently old.

Also, since God is the giver of all authority and We believe that authority was given publicly (in the very bible that people in your group carry and disagree with) from Jesus to Peter then we claim authority as The Church directly from God (and since Jesus was not born in the 1800s, His church must be OLD by definition).

Authority is from God alone, where does your group claim to have received that Authority? Where in The Bible or a similarly placed literature does Jesus or God (if it pleases you, Jehovah) give authority to Charles Taze Russell to found God’s church?
 
Another question. Genesis 1:26 says
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Only God can create, so who is “us” if there is no Trinity? Why would God refer to himself in the second person plural?
 
Another question. Genesis 1:26 says Only God can create, so who is “us” if there is no Trinity? Why would God refer to himself in the second person plural?
They will probably just weasel their way out of this one, watch.
 
Dear VWcrazy,

I doubt it would be polite and appropriate for me to change the word “Catholic” into some other derogatory term.

Please note the forum rule when choosing your terms about my religious group.

“Do not use character substitutions in proper names, such as “Amerikkkans” or “Demonrats” or “Repubicans” etc.”
The Catholic Church has done knothing to cause anyone to make fun of it.

However in the short time the watchtower has been in existence
it has earned the title “false” by making false predictions, and by misleading many people including myself.

Its honestly hard to take any jw seriously because of the many goof ups of watchtower.
 
Another question. Genesis 1:26 says
Only God can create, so who is “us” if there is no Trinity? Why would God refer to himself in the second person plural?
I previously gave you the answer to this in post #8. Look at the tab" What Does the Bible Say about God and Jesus".
 
So from those three lines in the Bible we know that
  1. Thomas referred to Jesus as “My Lord and My God.” It says so very clearly in the Bible.
  2. Jesus did not rebuke him for saying so.
  3. Therefore, Jesus is God.
Here’s poor Thomas… who doesn’t even believe that Jesus has been resurrected when told by the other disciples. And, his faith is so lacking he won’t believe unless he can actually see Jesus and put his hand into his side. When Jesus reappears alive through the locked doors, Thomas is shocked. He’s never seen anything like this. He exclaims “My Lord and My God”.

Each and every day, I constantly hear people saying “My Lord!”, “Oh My God!” when they are surprised by something.

Your argument is based on “implied consent” because you’re assuming Thomas is defining doctrine and because Jesus didn’t immediately stop and correct him, the statement must be a new doctrinal truth. You are ignoring two other possibilities… that Thomas was simply using an expression of shock, or that he was using the term “god” as is actually is “mighty one” being applied to other men and even angels. Jesus himself even called other men “gods”.

Jesus, able to understand the reasonings of Thomas’ heart, would specifically know what Thomas was really thinking. You are assuming you know that Thomas was referring to Jesus as Almighty God in the flesh, which is contrary to what Jesus himself explicitly taught.

Furthermore, who’s word carries more weight with you… Jesus or Thomas? Look at what Jesus himself specifically said about the question of who was the true, Almighty God:

Shortly before Jesus’ death, Thomas had heard Jesus’ prayer in which he addressed his Father as “the only true God.” (John 17:3, RS) After Jesus’ resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: “I am ascending ... to my God and your God.” (John 20:17, RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: “These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:31, RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas’ exclamation that Jesus is himself “the only true God” or that Jesus is a Trinitarian “God the Son,” he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs. 17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs. 31).

If you want to hold this belief, I will respect you and your opinion to do so.

Personally, I compare your argument of “implied consent” situation with Thomas against the multiple “explicit” comments made by Jesus about his Father being the “only True God” and side with the explicit statements of Jesus.

There are multiple possible explainations for Thomas’ behavior and you are ignoring several of them to believe in a doctrine that contradicts what Jesus explicitly taught and ultimately violates rudimentary logic… (Jesus referring to His Father as the only true God, “My God”… and yet Jesus is Almighty God too.)

There really is a good reason why Jesus only called himself the “Son of God” and never, ever called himself “God The Son”.
 
Jehovah’s Witnesses used to ask me, “Have you accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?”

Well, the Bible says that only God is our Savior and that there is no other Savior but God.

Isaih 43: 10-11
You are my witnesses, says the LORD, my servants whom I have chosen To know and believe in me and understand that it is I. Before me no god was formed, and after me there shall be none. It is I, I the LORD; there is no savior but me.

Titus 2: 13
awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
 
Hebrews 1: 8
But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever
 
Psalms 57: 5
Be exalted, O God, above the heavens!

Hebrews 7: 26
For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, blameless, unstained, separated from sinners, exalted above the heavens.
 
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