Kamala Harris announces $100B plan for black homeownership, tackling racial wealth gap

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dvdjs said:
Have you never heard of Proposition 13?
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Indeed. I didn’t realize that it stayed intact during a property transfer, though. I didn’t realize some kinds of property transfers were exempt from a re-assessment.

Random anecdote: Once upon a time, in college, I dated a guy from San Diego. He was talking about his million-dollar home back home… I was impressed. I felt bad about taking him to my parents’ ordinary home to visit my family for Spring Break. When he found me in private, he said, “Woah. You never told me your parents were rich!” And I’m like, “Uh, what are you talking about?” Because while my parents’ little farm home was something totally ordinary and normal for my part of Texas, you couldn’t touch getting similar house + land in San Diego for less than eight figures.

Then I went and visited his family for a week during the summer. I was expecting to see your stereotypical mansion… and all it was was a nice little house, kind of small, in a nice, ordinary neighborhood, and some pretty mountains nearby. It was an expensive house, but it was expensive because it was in a desirable area, not because it was all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips.

That was one of my earliest lessons in real estate values. 🙂
 
qui_est_ce said:
My mom was a millionaire in the 1990’s. Then the stock market crashed.
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She grew up in a small town in France which did not even have a railroad station. She spoke no English when she married a military man (enlisted Army) who came from a very poor pastor’s family living in a small one horse town in IL. The only language they had in common was German. After many years, they came to the U.S. and worked their tails off building a business together. Since we spoke no English at home, I learned English in school and from playing with my friends.

Funny, now my German is awful!!
 
midori said:
That was one of my earliest lessons in real estate values
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There is a difference between price, value as an investment, and value as a commodity.
I am glad that you had experience that helps you when you need to remember this.
 
dvdjs said:
What is the reason for that?
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Lets recap:
  1. You have a problem with saying Harris targeted blacks because “targeted” is not in the word-for-word quote
  2. You have agreed Harris singled out blacks despite that “singled out” is not in the word-for-word quote.
  3. Using “targeted” instead of “single out” does not change the meaning.
  4. You are nit picking to death the choice of words. What is the reason for that?
 
It has the very useful attribute that the only thing required to confirm the diagnosis is for the accused to deny it.
 
Let’s try it this way in understandable written terms. White privilege exists, but beyond that is the moral implication in line with the topic.

Racial discrimination has been a strong suite in our culture. It is seen within institutions, one example is the housing market and higher paying jobs.

I remember a study years ago, 2 persons, both college educated applying for the same position and the Black applicant more qualified. He didn’t get the job.

If I view it in terms of my faith I believe it is difficult to find God if you are without minimal things people need, employment, food, and shelter.

I also believe that when the Lord spoke of feeding the poor, offering one coat if you have two, and “giving” (charity) in general…It wasn’t due to his admiration for the finer things in life…He realized that without the basic needs met it’s difficult to focus their gaze where it should be…On HIm.

Translation: (((Ireland doesn’t have this problem, we do)))
 
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Xystus said:
You have a problem with saying Harris targeted blacks because “targeted” is not in the word-for-word quote
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  1. I have a problem when people talk of a quote that is not actually a quote.
  2. The program is not targeted to blacks. There is no race test for eligibility.
  3. The program will certainly predominant help blacks, since they were the ones most affected by the noxious practices.
  4. It is not the least bit inappropriate to recognize and speak of the content of item 3.
  5. That recognition and that speech does not change item 2.
I still don’t understand, and no one has addressed, why the language has be twisted to make it seem like item 2 is not true.
 
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midori said:
Oooh. Is this the place where we get to point out 65% of black/African American households are single-parent? Which translates into 6,123,000M (children?) in single-parent households? Vs, say, 556,000 Asian/Pacific Islander kids in single parent households (15%), or 41% of Hispanic/Latino kids (7,283,000) or 24% of non-Hispanic white kids in single parent households (8,623,000).
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In 1997 some researchers at Rutgers University started what has become the National Marriage Project. It has now been moved to the University of Virginia and includes a variety of disciplines, including sociology, political science, and economics.

Reports | National Marriage Project

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Among early findings were that families with marriage had better mental and physical health, longer lifespans, better educational outcomes, more income, more assets, lower crime rates, and lower rates of incarceration than any other family arrangement. One finding was that the worst arrangement in these areas was what they called serial cohabitation.

Of course, responsible politicians, clergy, business leaders, and academics all sought to enact policies that would encourage marriage and discourage the behaviors that created more poverty and crime, right?
 
DENNYINMI said:
Racial discrimination has been a strong suite in our culture. It is seen within institutions, one example is the housing market and higher paying jobs.

I remember a study years ago, 2 persons, both college educated applying for the same position and the Black applicant more qualified. He didn’t get the job.
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Discrimination against ethnics and foreigner exist in every society. In the US. we have tried to address that via Affirmative Action programs. In many cases, a white person more qualified has not gotten the job or the college admission due to the need to fill quotas.

https://www.history.com/news/the-landmark-supreme-court-case-that-upheld-affirmative-action
 
dvdjs said:
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qui_est_ce:
In many cases, a white person more qualified has not gotten the job or the college admission due to the need to fill quotas.
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How is this claim relevant to this thread?
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Interesting that you pick my quote but not DENNYINMI’s, which the above quote addressed.
DENNYINMI said:
I remember a study years ago, 2 persons, both college educated applying for the same position and the Black applicant more qualified. He didn’t get the job.
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So ask him.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Interesting that you pick my quote but not DENNYINMI’s, which the above quote addressed.
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Unresponsive.

The difference, btw, between the quotes is that discussing the existence of racism in America is germane to the thread. But a key point of the thread is that the program that Harris proposed is for some reason being incorrectly portrayed as targeted to blacks. If someone is using race-based quotas in some process, it is not unfair to call that out. But any suggestion that Harris’s proposal, simply because it will in fact help blacks predominantly, is a race-based program is unfair.
 
I don’t know why the critical distinction here seems so hard to communicate.

The program is target to remediate the effects of nasty practices that hurt the prospects of people who were subject to it. That program has merit. Race is not a criterion. Blacks who were not impacted by the practices will not be involved. People of other races impacted by the practices.

As a matter of history, these practices were predominantly perpetrated against blacks. Accordingly, overall blacks will have the most to gain. That very fact seems to evoke among numerous posters a a negative reaction that is hard for me to fathom.
 
I am sorry that you are infuriated. But I find it odd that you see it the matter that way.

I can understand a common objection to, for example, race-base admission or hiring quotas. the benefits can go to people who were not have less “need” “merit” than others and are less “deserving”. This does not appear to be such a program. It is targeted to redress a specific problem for which there is specific evidence; it does not exclude non-blacks; it does not apply to all blacks.
And the fact that ti may be of benefit is a consequence of the practice being mediated.

There seems to be a problem in accepting the proposal of a program that would predominantly help blacks. I don’t get it. I certainly don’t understand why there is a conflation of race-targeting design with a race-predominant outcome. These are distinct aspect, the former is arguably unfiar, and the latter is just leveling the playing field.
 
I’d be more than happy to, being Irish. But my “Irishness” has never been in question in 2019, but a great majority have their “blackness” characterized daily.
 
dvdjs said:
I have a problem when people talk of a quote that is not actually a quote.
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No, your problem appears to be intentional misinterpretation. I summarized the intent of several quotes.

If I had intended to also confirm she used the word targeted, I would have put quotes around it, like Harris “targeted” blacks

But then, you are the Zen Master of deflection, you really milked it here.
 
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Theo520 said:
No, your problem appears to be intentional misinterpretation. I summarized the intent of several quotes.
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You have no knowledge of my intention, just as I have none about yours.

I think the point that I have been making is an important one. There is a world of difference between a race-base program and one that, in rectifying an injustice, will have an outcome that affects one race more than others. The effort to conflate these different things, and resistance to this point is surprising, and even a little shocking.
 
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