Kamala Harris vs the Knights of Columbus

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You don’t have to live in a theocracy to have religious freedom. If religious freedom is under assault or slowly taken away in this country, then we will find ourselves in the same boat as the Pilgrims were, and many groups that fled Europe to found this country (including Catholics).

We won’t be able to sail off to an uncolonized land, but we will be in the same position. Secession, or leaving to go to a different country are possible. Most countries in the world have governments very similar to the US, most allow abortion. I’m not advocating theocracy per-se. I’m just pointing out as someone who studied political science, that the ‘marketplace of ideas’ when it comes to how to run a country seems awfully small these days. Clearly, if we start to be persecuted for our faith in this country, then this form of government has failed us. The most important thing for us is our faith, if we can’t live and practice that freely, then of course we must say this system has failed us. We’ll inevitably have to look for a new system.

I don’t dream of theocracy. Let’s think of Israel. A fully democratic country, where just 3.25% of the vote is enough for a political party to enter Parliament. For a nation with roughly 8 million people they have 12 parties with seats in Parliament, that number only seems likely to rise in their elections this April. But MOST IMPORTANTLY, Israel is a Jewish state. A Jewish democratic state. And one day, to ensure the freedom and protection of our religion, we might have to look into a Catholic democratic state. Where pure democracy is sometimes limited by the values of religion, like in Israel.
 
Peaceable said:
I don’t know that it’s the case most people support a theocracy here—but I think there’s an open question about what should be the role of personal faith in a representative democracy. I’m not thrilled with the Knights of Columbus question at all. But I would worry about individuals overruling the will of the public based on their personal religion—whether that religion is mine or anyone else’s. But I understand people might see this differently.
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Here’s the thing… the United States is NOT a representative democracy. The Founding Fathers did not want a representative democracy - they were afraid of it. They chose a republic with some democratic principles (aka a democratic republic), but not a true representative democracy

When I was in middle school & high school; they used to teach the difference between a “representative democracy” and a “democratic republic.” Also, as a Political Science major - focused on civics - I learned a thing or two about civics as well. 🙂

In a representative democracy - the representative doesn’t have the right to make up his/her own mind on issues and bills. They must consistently go back to their districts, poll people, look for guidance, etc.

However, in a republic - the representative is fully authorized to go to the legislature, do his/her own research on the issues and vote their conscience. Therefore, when you elect a representative, you would naturally expect their world view, beliefs, etc to be part of their decision making.

In a representative democracy - you would expect the rep to not vote their conscience, because they are forced to vote the way the people want on each issue. (btw - the US Senate was originally designed to act this way to represent the State Legislators - they were originally not elected by the people)

In a republic - you expect the rep to vote their conscience because they are not forced to vote the way the people want on each issue. This is why the US Rep is only voted to a 2 year term - so they can be voted out of office if the people back at home don’t like the job they have been doing.

God Bless
 
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Are you from Finland?
If so, did you vote for Timo Suini? I
That’s who I would’ve voted for, if I was a Finn lol
 
I’m waiting for your response to my post lol. It appears that two people read the same post, saw the word theocracy, and your and mine posts resulted lol.
 
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Our religious or otherwise-based ethical principles are exactly what we should want the law based upon.
 
We both replied to the same post by Peacable with our political musings. And I wondered what you thought of my post. I was expecting you to reply lol
 
Most laws in this country already do. People just don’t realize it.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Most laws in this country already do. People just don’t realize it.
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I partly disagree. I would say that most of laws in our country are based on generic Christian values, but not specifically Catholic ones.

God Bless
 
The questions are a test because a test is an investigation. The questions are of a religious nature; therefore they constitute a “religious test”.

Kamala Harris took an oath to uphold the Constitution. Not only is she in contempt of the Constitution, she is violating it.
 
Generic Christian values have their origins in Catholic moral teaching. For 1500 years, there was no such thing as “Generic Christian values”. If you look at the statements of faith of most protestant sects, they do not contain more than a fraction of what those folks actually believe. The rest are borrowed from Catholic moral teachings that have BECOME “generic Christian values”. Look some of them up. You’ll see.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Generic Christian values have their origins in Catholic moral teaching. For 1500 years, there was no such thing as “Generic Christian values”. If you look at the statements of faith of most protestant sects, they do not contain more than a fraction of what those folks actually believe. The rest are borrowed from Catholic moral teachings that have BECOME “generic Christian values”. Look some of them up. You’ll see.
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Yes, this is true. I’m not arguing with you, just looking at this from a different angle.

However, the United States was founded after the Protestant Revolt and non-Catholics rarely recognize this truth.

My point is that most would never acknowledge the fact that a lot of our laws (and frankly even our Constitution) are rooted in Catholic thought.

God Bless
 
Would left wing ideologies also constitute a ‘religious belief’? Socialism or even Satanism? We are all influenced by something.
 
Looks touched up to me. If one wanted to see lots of gold, one could not do better than the Cathedral BAsilica of St. Louis (Mo) There are acres of murals, with the tiniest chips one can imagine, many of which are gold and some of which are semiprecious stones. Just breataking!

 
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Ridgerunner:
http://cathedralstl.org/
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Federal Reserve there in St. Louis too. Don’t know much about their gold leaf…
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Please save us some research @Ridgerunner and tell us about the gold leaf…
 
I hope everyone here will be just as offended if a conservative legislator asks similar questions of a Muslim appointee.
 
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