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marvin
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I just sent an email to the USCCB to express my concerns also.
Please, I encourage everyone who posted on this topic to do the same.
Please, I encourage everyone who posted on this topic to do the same.
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Tracyms1974
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Just to let y’all know, I sent an e-mail to the highlighted address in this thread. Thanks for the opportunity to do some good, y’all! I was so tired last night that the letter was pretty short, but I think the most important thing I said was that by doing this, they set a bad example for the rest of us.
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sprout
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I don’t see where it’s even remotely been “established” that Kathy Saile is a pro-choicer. I’ve read through several links and Catholic blogs and all I’ve found so far is a ‘guilt by association’ circumstantial fallacy from a 2006 WIN Dinner Party where she’s listed as one of the speakers:
I’d like to see something more concrete before I join the bandwagon. Until then I’m going to give her and the Bishop’s selection of her the benefit of the doubt.
The talk appears to be about people of faith:
Although she may be a progressive that doesn’t automatically make her pro-choice, any more than being a conservative makes one prolife (just look at the current crop of self proclaimed conservative Republican nominees). The Democratic party does have a number of Pro-lifers as well, so it’s not a cut and dry issue.
I’d like to see something more concrete before I join the bandwagon. Until then I’m going to give her and the Bishop’s selection of her the benefit of the doubt.
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cthemfly25
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Sprout with all due respect it’s actually worse than whether she is pro life or an abortionist. She is a lobbyist and she was appearing at WIN to strategize on how to get your vote, the religious vote. WIN is dedicated to the election of pro-choice democratic women." That is its mission clearly stated on its website along with its “ally” organization including their “queer” group and NARAL along with other far left affiliations. Sailes was telling them how to win an election and to do that would require deceit. This was not a bible meeting of true believers but an assortment of far left groups which along with abortion defy the Church teachings on family, homosexuality and about everything else. Her topic of discussion was not how to evangelize to these people but to instruct them on winning the next election—the election btw for which the travesty of Roe v Wade hangs in the balance. It matters not a whit whether she denies being an abortionist for she is strategizing with them on how to win this election. Nuff said.
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cthemfly25
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All you need to know about WIN they are proud to tell you that they have one goal in mind:
winonline.org/
“Dedicated to empowering young, Democratic, pro-choice women.”
"WIN provides its members with opportunities to volunteer and work for campaigns, shape the agenda for the next generation of Democrats, and train to meet the demands of the field and public office. WIN members are committed to building a Democratic, pro-choice agenda.WIN members network, share resources, and offer each other encouragement to promote change in the halls of Capitol Hill, on Main Streets across the country, and around the globe.
Our power is in our collective action. We work to protect a woman’s right to choose and access to medically accurate information and reproductive healthcare services. **Every lecture or information session we host, social event we sponsor, volunteer activity we promote, is designed with the end in mind—to provide our membership with ways to gain power through experience and take political action." **
Again, just so everyone knows that the purpose of Sailes invitation and lecture was to evangelize…but not the message of Faith, but of moral corruption. So many good and dedicated Catholics are working hard to elect politicians who will work toward the appointment of justices who will overturn Roe v Wade. Abortion is a moral imperative all this other nonsense regarding “progressive” causes has to do with policy differences which can be debated, but the immorality of abortion is not subject to debate. Yet here is the USCCB’s chosen domestic policy guru actively seeking to advance WIN’s candidates by stealing the religious issue and undermining years of dedicated hard work by so many Catholics. Disgraceful. If that is progressive, then you can have it. If by “progressive” I am beholding to WIN or NARAL, you can have it. But under no set of circumstances should Saile be the Director of Domestic Policy for the Roman Catholic Church in this country…no excuse for this. Whatever the USCCB is thinking I want no part of it. None.
winonline.org/
“Dedicated to empowering young, Democratic, pro-choice women.”
"WIN provides its members with opportunities to volunteer and work for campaigns, shape the agenda for the next generation of Democrats, and train to meet the demands of the field and public office. WIN members are committed to building a Democratic, pro-choice agenda.WIN members network, share resources, and offer each other encouragement to promote change in the halls of Capitol Hill, on Main Streets across the country, and around the globe.
Our power is in our collective action. We work to protect a woman’s right to choose and access to medically accurate information and reproductive healthcare services. **Every lecture or information session we host, social event we sponsor, volunteer activity we promote, is designed with the end in mind—to provide our membership with ways to gain power through experience and take political action." **
Again, just so everyone knows that the purpose of Sailes invitation and lecture was to evangelize…but not the message of Faith, but of moral corruption. So many good and dedicated Catholics are working hard to elect politicians who will work toward the appointment of justices who will overturn Roe v Wade. Abortion is a moral imperative all this other nonsense regarding “progressive” causes has to do with policy differences which can be debated, but the immorality of abortion is not subject to debate. Yet here is the USCCB’s chosen domestic policy guru actively seeking to advance WIN’s candidates by stealing the religious issue and undermining years of dedicated hard work by so many Catholics. Disgraceful. If that is progressive, then you can have it. If by “progressive” I am beholding to WIN or NARAL, you can have it. But under no set of circumstances should Saile be the Director of Domestic Policy for the Roman Catholic Church in this country…no excuse for this. Whatever the USCCB is thinking I want no part of it. None.
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quiet52
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In what ways can and should the papal nuncio to the U.S., Archbishop Pietro Sambi, intervene when our nation’s bishops refuse to be responsible spiritual leaders for us American Catholics? I am not sure what he is authorized to do – but I wish the Pope and his delegates would effectively intervene SOMEHOW.
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Elzee
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She should not even be putting herself in the situation where she can be ‘guilty by association’. And it’s more than that. By freely associating herself with this group she is guilty - guilty of supporting a group that clearly undermines Catholic teaching on abortion and that makes her a supporter of abortion regardless if she calls herself pro-life or pro-choice. Words mean nothing at that point.
I expect our USCCB to hold themselves and the people they appoint to the highest standard. I expect them to courageously and publicly support Catholic teaching without fail. I expect them to appoint people who are orthodox in their faith and in how they practice and proclaim it. The USCCB has failed. My letter to the USCCB with a carbon copy to the Vatican is on its way. The Catholic Church is its own worst enemy in this country - can’t some of our Bishops see that?
I’m more thankful everyday for Bishops like Burke, Chaput, and Bruskewitz. God bless these good men who aren’t afraid to stand up for their faith.
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Alphonsus_John
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How does one cc. Rome?
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Elzee
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At the end of the letter:*
cc: His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI
Mail a copy to:*
His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI
Apostolic Palace
00120 Vatican City
(Europe)
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nobeerinheaven
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USCCB Pro-Life Secretariat Kimberly Baker sent me an email today giving notice that Kathy Saile is not, in fact, pro-choice but pro-life. Kathy gave an interview to CNS indicating her position:
Maybe the USCCB isn’t so bad after all?
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0705315.htm
Maybe the USCCB isn’t so bad after all?
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cthemfly25
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“We [WIN] work to protect a woman’s right to choose and access to medically accurate information and reproductive healthcare services. Every lecture or information session we host, social event we sponsor, volunteer activity we promote, is designed with the end in mind—to provide our membership with ways to gain power through experience and take political action.”
You can choose to minimize this all you want but WIN had her there to “provide our membership with ways to gain power through experience and take political action.” Their words, not mine. Catholics and other Christians are working in the trenches to staunch the cultural decay—the assault on families, the propagation of the "Queer (WIN’s choice of word) agenda, abortion, etc. WIN is organized for those very specific “progressive” causes. Sailes was there to assist them to win elections or according to WIN, she would not have been invited.
The USCCB has been outed on this one. You can choose to accept this lame and lamentable excuse. Indeed, the assertion that she is against abortion appears to be a principle amenable to compromise for the sake of other more holy “progressive” causes rather than a moral imperative in and of itself.
So what the USCCB and Sailes now assert makes this even worse; it is the duplicitous betrayal to so many Christians who might disagree on other “progressive” sentiments but are firmly united in Faith about the travesty of Roe v Wade. Sailes is a “progressive” whatever that is and in the next election when the Supreme Court is teetering and victory so near, ask Sailes and the USCCB if they are proud of their contribution to the “progressive” cause at the fate of more innumerable deaths of the innocent. This simply is not capable of moral rationalization.
You can choose to minimize this all you want but WIN had her there to “provide our membership with ways to gain power through experience and take political action.” Their words, not mine. Catholics and other Christians are working in the trenches to staunch the cultural decay—the assault on families, the propagation of the "Queer (WIN’s choice of word) agenda, abortion, etc. WIN is organized for those very specific “progressive” causes. Sailes was there to assist them to win elections or according to WIN, she would not have been invited.
The USCCB has been outed on this one. You can choose to accept this lame and lamentable excuse. Indeed, the assertion that she is against abortion appears to be a principle amenable to compromise for the sake of other more holy “progressive” causes rather than a moral imperative in and of itself.
So what the USCCB and Sailes now assert makes this even worse; it is the duplicitous betrayal to so many Christians who might disagree on other “progressive” sentiments but are firmly united in Faith about the travesty of Roe v Wade. Sailes is a “progressive” whatever that is and in the next election when the Supreme Court is teetering and victory so near, ask Sailes and the USCCB if they are proud of their contribution to the “progressive” cause at the fate of more innumerable deaths of the innocent. This simply is not capable of moral rationalization.
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nobeerinheaven
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There’s no need to be vitriolic. It’s entirely possible that she was invited and spoke because of her pro-life stance in the Church, as WIN may have been interested in seeing how things have changed on that front. The WIN discussion was about the interplay between faith and politics, after all, and if we take Kathy on her word (and we have no question-begging reason not to here), then her presence there did not support choice, as she challenged them to let the issue go for many Democratic candidates. I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt, although the WIN dinner was probably an unfortunate choice to make politically.
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Ave_Maria_1
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I got the same response from Kathy Baker:
Apparently there has been some confusion over the appointment of Kathy
Saile at the USCCB. She is, in fact, pro-life. Please read about her
interview with CNS at the following link:
www.catholicnews.com
God Bless,
Kimberly Baker
She did not answer my question as to whether or not this person is a Catholic or a Lutheran. And the CNS is an arm of the USCCB which is also something to note. I am going to dig further.
Apparently there has been some confusion over the appointment of Kathy
Saile at the USCCB. She is, in fact, pro-life. Please read about her
interview with CNS at the following link:
www.catholicnews.com
God Bless,
Kimberly Baker
USCCB Pro-Life Secretariat
She did not answer my question as to whether or not this person is a Catholic or a Lutheran. And the CNS is an arm of the USCCB which is also something to note. I am going to dig further.
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Catholic29
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Sorry Kathy…
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KathleenElsie
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Yes and just ask the voters in PA that voted for “pro-life” Casey. Actions speak loudly in the case of some so called PRO-LIFE leaders.
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KathleenElsie
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As I said actions speak louder then words. No apology from me.Sorry Kathy…
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Denise_Hunnell
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I too received the same response from Kimberly Baker, USCCB pro-life Secretariat. WIN is not just any Democratic women’s group. The cornerstone of its mission statement is the election of pro-abortion women. Ms. Saile’s explanation that she was there to present a pro-life viewpoint rings hollow. The truth is she put her partisan Democratic allegiance above any Catholic pro-life commitment. This updated news story was merely a feeble attempt at damage control.
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Ave_Maria_1
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We’ve begun to regress to some pre-Vatican II activities, like singing Latin responses. I don’t understand any of it!"
This is the public statement of this lady. She criticizes the extraordinary form of the Mass! This also is a criticism of the Holy Father!
She has been involved with the so called Franciscan Renewal Center in Arizona which invites in (in)famous dissenting speakers.
The CNS–the news agency of the USCCB might have this ‘interview’ but it certainly is not an unbiased one by any means.
A very very ‘lliberal’ appointment at the very least. And since she worked for the lutherans, is the policy the same?
This is the public statement of this lady. She criticizes the extraordinary form of the Mass! This also is a criticism of the Holy Father!
She has been involved with the so called Franciscan Renewal Center in Arizona which invites in (in)famous dissenting speakers.
The CNS–the news agency of the USCCB might have this ‘interview’ but it certainly is not an unbiased one by any means.
A very very ‘lliberal’ appointment at the very least. And since she worked for the lutherans, is the policy the same?
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Alphonsus_John
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I have yet to hear back from the USCCB and in the article Kathy does not explicitly say, “I am pro life”. She could very well be and I don’t want to be too judgemental since I’m such a sinner, but I think some prevarication is going on here.
Additionally, Kathy’s adherence to “progressive” solutions to social justice doesn’t turn on my happy lights. While leftist solutions to social justice problems are not against Church teaching per se, it dismays me that so many in the church hirearchy seem to think more government = more social justice. My opinion is that, in the long run, socialist solutions provide less social justice.
Additionally, Kathy’s adherence to “progressive” solutions to social justice doesn’t turn on my happy lights. While leftist solutions to social justice problems are not against Church teaching per se, it dismays me that so many in the church hirearchy seem to think more government = more social justice. My opinion is that, in the long run, socialist solutions provide less social justice.
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Catholic29
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Well, perhaps I spoke too soon…
However I do admit the USCCB needs a thorough shakedown and purging from the top down. Its becoming an institution in increasing disarray every year as orthodox forces gradually rise in power, while the old “Spirit of Vatican II” liberal guard loses its grip with age.
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