Kavanaugh Drama Risks Driving Moderates, Women Away From GOP

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Victoria33 said:
Kavanaugh has had 6 FBI investigations so far. How many do we need?
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New accusations and/or evidence can warrant new investigations, and this actually is quite commonplace. OTOH, it seems you’re much more in favor of a rush to judgment and so willing to judge what the women say happened as being bogus.
 
Metis1 said:
it seems you’re much more in favor of a rush to judgment
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Have a nice day. I will not be involved in a conversation where one is using personal attacks against me. That also speaks to the strength of your argument. It happened in the other thread too.

I do not need to be accused falsely.

Judge Kavanaugh does not need to be accused falsely.

I will make general remarks. One’s opinion should not be squelched in discussion by these kinds of remarks.
 
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Polygraphs are inadmissible because they are unreliable.
 
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Victoria33 said:
Ted Bundy passed a polygraph exam. Too, the circumstances of Dr. Ford’s polygraph are somewhat in question. It consists of something like 2 questions asked in a general way.
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So are you afraid the Kavanaugh will pass, making him more like Ted Bundy (as far a being able to lie with impunity), or that he will fail, meaning he lied?
 
Maybe he should take a polygraph, then we can hear the Ds proclaim their unreliability.
 
No matter how we view this differently, let’s please agree that Kavanaugh isn’t Christ and it’s likely best not to compare one’s anger to His.
 
HarryStotle said:
Or a mark of apathy, it all depends upon what is at stake. Anger unhinged is one thing, but righteous anger at injustice and evil is another thing altogether.

Jesus expressed anger at the money changers in the Temple by flipping over their tables and driving them out. Was that a sign of “immaturity” on his part? Of incapacity?

Here is a man who has seen his family threatened, his reputation shredded, and his character reviled.

USA Today suggested he should never coach girls basketball ever again because he shouldn’t be trusted around girls.
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Excellent post, personally, on a Catholic level, I would hope that Judge Kavanaugh, his wife and family, might see an opportunity to turn this into “redemptive suffering” that might benefit other people.

Sometimes, people may humiliate us, we can turn that into an offering to God that we likewise, empathize with the suffering of Jesus on the Cross. Sometimes, we lose sight of the fact, that Jesus indeed was humiliated. In fact, it is one of a number of central themes to the Passion, in my own opinion.

We are not here to embark on a road to salvation that is strewn with roses. Sometimes, when we are humiliated, it is actually a great blessing to have joy about.
 
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Evidently not. So why should we take your opinion about Brett Kavanaugh’s reaction seriously?

I am not sure you understand male honor. It has always been taken seriously. Worse men than Kavanaugh have killed men far better than Ford for lesser insults to their reputation.

If he did not show any anger, he would be regarded as weak, cowardly, and unconcerned with his good name. All of which would be far more troublesome to me than a natural and healthy reaction to vicious slander.
 
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HarryStotle said:
And you don’t suppose Kavanaugh should show just a little anger?

I would have questioned his sincerity if he hadn’t.
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It was a “darned if you do, darned if you don’t” set up.

If he had showed no emotion the media would have derided him for that.
 
starshiptrooper said:
Evidently not. So you have no absolutely no business pontificating about the appropriate level of anger for Brett Kavanaugh to show.

I doubt you understand male honor anyway. It has always been taken seriously. Worse men than Kavanaugh have killed men far better than Ford for lesser insults to their reputation.

If he did not show any anger, he would be regarded as weak, cowardly, and unconcerned with his good name. All of which would be far more troublesome to me than a natural and healthy reaction to vicious slander.
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Kindly keep the conversation to the topic at hand rather than offering rambling ad hominem attacks on fellow posters.
 
One forum member may appear to be “sensitive” to some of us; but I do believe we should fully respect their view. Debate can be made with totally respecting each other’s feelings. I have displayed myself to be “sensitive” about certain things, so that certainly does not apply to one forum participant and may apply to many of us. We have a whole conversation to gain with each other, if we respect each other. Maybe we can exaggerate how much we are attempting to not say anything that might offend anyone here and any member of these CAF forums which appears to be very numerous.

OK, I hope I can say all of that and I hope that is of no offense to anyone here.
 
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Rephrased my statement to be less harsh but the point still remains the same. Honor is a serious business and false accusations should not be ignored recklessly. Those who have been falsely accused understand that.
 
Kavanaugh didn’t simply stridently affirm his innocence. He became combative, belligerent, and ultimately showed himself to be too partisan to handle the politically fraught topics that appear before the SCOTUS. This isn’t about not feeling badly for Kavanaugh and his family. This is about viewing his appearances without emotion attached.
 
All a matter of perception. As for partisanship, SCOTUS has been abused for years by lawmakers to cowardly to actually legislate their desired policies. Anyone who thinks that the court was neutral until just now is naive.
 
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Abandoning the hope that justices might actually focus on the law rather than their own political biases effectively means our democracy is doomed.

As for perception, this is true. I can’t speak to what would drive someone to perceive his testimony last week as anything other than frightening.
 
Democracy is the god that failed and once we admit that, we can actually progress.

Just assume for a second that Kavanaugh is innocent and that this is a last minute slander. Complaining about his show of partisanship is a bit disingenuous when one side is already being extremely partisan in their attempt to keep him off the Court.
 
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