Key Iran General Soleimani killed in Iraq: reports - BBC

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As is an attack on a sovereign embassy.
Not exactly direct aggression against a country though.

What’s to stop multiple skyscraper-sized embassies being built, all claiming protection as though it were their own country?
 
taking side with Iran are not forgetting the sacrifice of our fallen military who throughout our history have given their lives to defend our freedoms.
Yes, but when more military is sent out there to protect the existing military there, how can it not be seen as escalation of war?
 
It escalated per the actions of Iran the past couple of weeks.

I’d like to see all troops leave Iraq immediately. But it’s not my call.
 
Are you referring to Iran’s stated aim of destroying Israel? In the present conflict in the Middle East, that is the sole instance of one nation state seeking to annihilate another,
The actual wording of that infamous speech was something like “the regime must vanish from the pages of time,” which actually sounds very much like the fate of the USSR.
 
What’s to stop multiple skyscraper-sized embassies being built, all claiming protection as though it were their own country?
This seems rather far fetched, but but hardly a concern even if it were to happen. The host country can approve whatever size or shape of embassy it wishes.

The US Embassy in Baghdad is in fact the largest in the world; I’m not sure why making it a skyscraper would be problematic.

But if they built it, it would legally have all the protections of any other embassy.
 
Not sure if the embassy is still occupied but all doings there are suspended and people have been told not to approach the embassy.
 
Killing a leader of a foreign government is an act of war. Trump killed both Iranian and Iraqi officials.

AOC, Tulsi Gabbard and others saying this should know, perhaps countries have some rights versus allowing their citizens and military to be victims. We don’t need AOC and Tulsi willing to let Americans be killed.

My understanding is Iraq could vote today on whether American troops stay. We probably had some help from the Iraqis to set this up.


Soleimani planning attacks on Americans:

 
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Not if you do not seem to acknowledge that Iran is a state-sponsor of terrorism and we are at war with terrorism.
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.
–Dick Cheney on why invading Iraq was ok.

Of course his justification was found to be completely untrue. I for one am perfectly comfortable demanding more evidence from this administration when it comes to acts of war.

If we’ve learned anything
 
As is an attack on a sovereign embassy.
The “attack” was not a military attack. It was a demonstration.
I hope everyone on these threads that are expressing sympathy for, and taking side with Iran are not forgetting the sacrifice of our fallen military who throughout our history have given their lives to defend our freedoms.
I don’t see people expressing sympathy for Iran, or taking sides. What I am expressing is what the Church and our tradition expresses. Trump’s act was immoral and did not comply with just war theory:
Avoiding war

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The fifth commandment forbids the intentional destruction of human life. Because of the evils and injustices that accompany all war, the Church insistently urges everyone to prayer and to action so that the divine Goodness may free us from the ancient bondage of war.105

[2308] All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war.

However, "as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.

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The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
  • the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
  • all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
  • there must be serious prospects of success;
  • the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.
These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the “just war” doctrine.

The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.
It is the Church today, not the governments, who have shown responsibility for the common good. The CCC clearly states that the objective is to avoid war unless it is a last resort. Our soldiers could have simply left Iraq, or negotiated with Iran, instead of this act of war. As a Church, we must stand and declare these murders as immoral and an unjust act of war.
 
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Victoria, if planning attacks is justification for murder, then Iran forces killing US military leaders for planning attacks is also justified.

No act of war is just unless it is the last resort, and meets the other criteria explained in the CCC, I posted above.
 
Victoria, if planning attacks is justification for murder, then Iran forces killing US military leaders for planning attacks is also justified.

No act of war is just unless it is the last resort, and meets the other criteria explained in the CCC, I posted above.
Excuse me, an American Contractor was killed, troops were hurt. That sounds quite a bit beyond “planning”.



This is recent news and this is besides the thousands of others that have died because of Soleimani.
 
I openly criticize Donald Trump for a lot of things, but not this one. I am not privy to the information he would have regarding these matters, and I seriously doubt anyone on this forum is either. I am thankful that these are not decisions I have to make.
 
I openly criticize Donald Trump for a lot of things, but not this one.
The problem here is that Trump has gone on and on about the use of force against Iran to bolster re-election, is impeached for improperly linking military aid to personal benefit, has made a point of undercutting our intelligence and even our military leaders. I am hopeful that the “deep state” has this matter under control, because Trump’s own bad acts, have stripped him of credibility.
 
The problem here is that Trump has gone on and on about the use of force against Iran to bolster re-election, is impeached for improperly linking military aid to personal benefit, has made a point of undercutting our intelligence and even our military leaders. I am hopeful that the “deep state” has this matter under control, because Trump’s own bad acts, have stripped him of credibility.
That is your view. I think Trump is fine with credibility but I won’t go off-topic here.
 
That is your view
The facts are the facts.
It is my view that these facts have him stripped of credibility./
Others may still find him credible. But that would be despite the facts.
 
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the facts are the facts.
It is my view that these facts have him stripped of credibility./
Others may still find him credible. But that would be despite the facts.
Facts like what? You brought in Ukraine, that’s off-topic. Anyone who votes for the Democrats, votes for Planned Parenthood, etc. Those are facts and those take away credibility to me as well.

Let alone by almost everyone in the know, Soleimani was a very bad guy, killed American soldiers. I certainly won’t defend him.
 
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You brought in Ukraine, that’s off-topic.
It is not at all off-topic to Trump’s credibility.
Anyone who votes for the Democrats …
It is, however, hard to imaging the credibility of this comment to the thread.
Nor is the statement a fact.
Let alone by almost everyone in the know, Soleimani was a very bad guy, killed American soldiers. I certainly won’t defend him.
I think that all agree that Soleimani was a bad guy.
I have not heard anyone here defend him.
None of that has anything to do with the credibility of the Trump administration

You may recall that Sadam Hussein was a bad guy, whom few i\f any defended.
That did not make the story about mushroom clouds true, nor make the actions taken to remove him and his regime wise.
 
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If we go off-topic, for foreign policy, we have been very supportive of the opposition government in Venezuela and have given millions in aid to Venezuelan refugees. Not everything is perfect, I don’t like how we treated the Kurds but the Kurdish politicians in Iraq have apparently been somewhat supportive of the US.
 
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