Kill animal - is it a sin?

[otjm]

All blood sports are cruel. Period!

Obviously you have never seen a predator, or pack of predators take down a game animal. And you have never seen game animals dying of starvation. Harvesting one through hunting is no more cruel death than a non hunting death. In either cast the animal is dea; in a hunting death, the animal is reduced to food.

 

[Jay2]

I can’t wait until the scientific community discovers that plants have some type of “nervous system” and can feel pain.
Whatcha gonna eat then?

Human intervention into the “Balance of Nature” has had catastrophic results. Especially our elimination of the predatory animals that were on our land before we got there.
Now we have twice as many “prey” animals, with 1/2 the predators to cull them. Now the “prey” have become pests.

As far as hunting or killing wild creatures I’ll say it again, don’t kill it unless you’re going to eat it, or it’s going to eat you!

Animals raised for human consumption are another story. They are raised by a farmer intending to sell them and make a profit to sustain his farm & family - they are not PETS. Even the “Blue Ribbon Champion” at the Fair will wind up on someone’s plate or in Fido’s bowl at some time.

People seem to think that these animals could make it on their own. They cannot. They have been domesticated. They only know how to eat, poop, and make more of themselves.

Mr. & Mrs. Farmer will provide adequate food, shelter, and medical care for their animals up until time to harvest/sell.
The animals have a ride in a truck, and are delivered to a meat-packing/processing plant.

Yes, some animals get injured on the ride… but what is their final destination? The trucking company & the owner of the packing plant are trying to make a profit to sustain their business & family. They are not going call the Vet for a gash incurred in transit, or throw away an entire beef cow because it broke its leg coming down the chute… in 20 minutes it won’t matter.

My wife was raised on a Sheep & Cattle farm. I’ve done work in 3 or 4 packing houses. From personal experience the animals are treated as humanely as possible without incurring excess expense to the farmer, processor, or ultimately the consumer.

 

[deb1]

Killing for the sake of killing is a sin. God put every one of the creatures here for a purpose. Who are we to destroy God’s creation? It also stands to reason that those who truly love God would find beauty and purpose in His creation and not destroy it. I’m also going to include lakes, forests, rivers, etc. in the picture.
I try not to kill any living thing, but I must admit I did put a flea product on my cat and killed probably hundreds of fleas. I hope God does not judge me too harshly on that.

I saw on animal planet the plight of a dog who had too many fleas. His energy was sapped and he was sickly. So, killing the fleas is protecting both you and your cat.

 

[deb1]

Obviously you have never seen a predator, or pack of predators take down a game animal. And you have never seen game animals dying of starvation. Harvesting one through hunting is no more cruel death than a non hunting death. In either cast the animal is dea; in a hunting death, the animal is reduced to food.

I can not stand it when my cat kills a mouse. She picks the little thing up, drops it on purpose, follows it mercilessly through the room as it tries to escape, blocks its escape routes and basically lets it expire from its own fear.

I used to wonder how the mice that I found died. Then I saw my cat at work. She doesn’t break their necks or dispatch them quickly. She basically wears them out with her play, all the while she is purring loudly.

That’s the way nature made her, though.

I suppose that I could set out those traps that don’t kill the mice but the little creatures would just find their way back into my house. So, I save money on poison and let her take care of them.

 

[Celeste88]

I can not stand it when my cat kills a mouse. She picks the little thing up, drops it on purpose, follows it mercilessly through the room as it tries to escape, blocks its escape routes and basically lets it expire from its own fear.

I used to wonder how the mice that I found died. Then I saw my cat at work. She doesn’t break their necks or dispatch them quickly. She basically wears them out with her play, all the while she is purring loudly.

That’s the way nature made her, though.

I suppose that I could set out those traps that don’t kill the mice but the little creatures would just find their way back into my house. So, I save money on poison and let her take care of them.

Probably the best thing would be to mouse proof your house so they can’t get in, which they try to do when the weather gets cold. They can get in even through a dime sized hole so you have to make sure your house is well sealed.

Cats really do their job but they often do a messy job. I used to come home from work and had to be careful where I’d step lest I’d step onto some mouse “remains”.

 

[deb1]

Probably the best thing would be to mouse proof your house so they can’t get in, which they try to do when the weather gets cold. They can get in even through a dime sized hole so you have to make sure your house is well sealed.

Cats really do their job but they often do a messy job. I used to come home from work and had to be careful where I’d step lest I’d step onto some mouse “remains”.

My cat rarely consumes the mice or leaves parts of them around. She just picks them up, drops them, chases them and repicks them up. I guess that they die from exhaustation. So, I don’t normally have a mess to pick up after, just one intact mouse.

As far as mouse proofing, if I could find how they were getting in, I’d gladly mouse proof my home. I honestly do not know where they get in at.

 

[Sixtus]

Obviously you have never seen a predator, or pack of predators take down a game animal. And you have never seen game animals dying of starvation. Harvesting one through hunting is no more cruel death than a non hunting death. In either cast the animal is dea; in a hunting death, the animal is reduced to food.

YEH, GREAT FUN, LETS DO IT WITH HUMANS!

 

[Sixtus]

My cat rarely consumes the mice or leaves parts of them around. She just picks them up, drops them, chases them and repicks them up. I guess that they die from exhaustation. So, I don’t normally have a mess to pick up after, just one intact mouse.

As far as mouse proofing, if I could find how they were getting in, I’d gladly mouse proof my home. I honestly do not know where they get in at.

Oh yeah, greaaaaaaaat fun. It is only natural, cats cannot help being predators anymore than Al Quaida can!!!

Dont suppose it ever crossed your mind to pick the mouse up while it is still alive and return it to the wild as I have often done with my cats.

By the way, do you keep your cats in during the nesting season or let them out to ravage and kill young chicks in the nests or kill the mother trying to feed them so they die anyway. Death it is only nature…so is abortion! They are BOTH sins of consent

 

[Sean_Boyle]

I’m surprised you listed feral cats! Feral cats are the offspring of domesticated cats that have been let out of peoples homes’, perhaps they’ve escaped or more likely were thrown out and because they were unspayed and unneutered they reproduced. I’m sorry but I’m a proponent of TNR, Trap Neuter and Return of these cats to their colonies. They can sometimes be tamed, as I’ve tamed and socialized several into loving housecats. Usually it takes much patience and because of not enough homes they are best off in their feral colonies with a caretaker providing food and care.

As far as killing non native species, the domesticated cat is not native to the US, it was brought over from Europe during the early settlements. Should we therefore kill all cats?

The horse also is not native to the Americas., it was brought over from Europe in the 15th century. Its domestication had a profound impact on the native Americans. Much like the feral cats, wild horses still run in the west. Various organizations have adoption programs available to try to adopt out these beautiful animals rather than turn them into the glue factories.

Your quote as far as killing by any means whether by poison, gun or trap has a potential for error. If you do HAVE to kill, make sure it is done HUMANELY. The animal did nothing wrong to you. There is no reason to inflict needless pain and suffering.

Got a little carried away, didn’t I.

I was thinking of the non-native species from my state. I wasn’t really thinking of creatures outside that realm.

Colonies of cats really aren’t a problem here. It’s really more of the stray and abandoned pets here. Domestic pets do have a place in our society, but that place is not in the wild.

I believe that pet abandonment is animal cruelity. Most domestic animals that are turned out can’t or don’t survive long. They succumb to predation, the harsh conditions and even starvation.

Feral cats are a problem here because they are able to survive. One cat can and will kill one to two hundred native birds and small mammals per year. These cats do kill just to kill. They only eat a small amount of what they kill, the rest is wasted. Their presents displaces the natural balance in the wild.

As far removal these feral cats, I agree, the most humane option should be used. The options of posion, trapping or shooting are options avalable according to the DNR here. I was just stating their position to highlight the severity of the problem. Drastic problems call for drastic measures.

 

[deb1]

Oh yeah, greaaaaaaaat fun. It is only natural, cats cannot help being predators anymore than Al Quaida can!!!

Dont suppose it ever crossed your mind to pick the mouse up while it is still alive and return it to the wild as I have often done with my cats.

By the way, do you keep your cats in during the nesting season or let them out to ravage and kill young chicks in the nests or kill the mother trying to feed them so they die anyway. Death it is only nature…so is abortion! They are BOTH sins of consent

No, I love my cat so I don’t let her roam. I’ve never understood people who just owners who just let their pets run loose. Not only is it rude toward your neighbors but it shows a lack of concern for your pet. It would break my heart if anything happened to my kitty.

At first I did release them outside and now that I am in a newer house, I will probably do so again. But we used to live in a farmhouse that was over 100 years old. Try as I could, I could not mouse proof that house. Mice do carry diseases and I have young children, plus we had outside rats who-I am not making this up- would kill and eat our baby chicks. I had no choice but to try and eradicate this problem. Poison worked but not all the mice/rats went for it.

I was actually happy that my cat killed the mice that came into the house. It saved me the expense of poison. I just wish that she broke their necks quickly instead of playing with them.

 

[Meggie]

While all life ought to be respected its horrible that you would compare the life of a mouse to the life of an unborn child.

If “harmless” bugs are in the house, be them ants, spiders, flies or mosquitos, they need to be killed to create a safe environment for you. They carry disease, manly mosquitos with West Nile and EEE. But flies carry germs and ants can segway into ants that can damage such as fire ants (in southern staes) or wood ants (all across US.) I say do whatever is necessary to get rid of them. You’d never scoot a termite onto a peice of paper and tell it to go outside. You’d have to be seriously off to do that (unless you lived in a solid concrete house.)

As far as mice/moles/voles/rats and animals, if you don’t like your cat playing with the mouse than get a Jack russel or similar type ratting dog. They kill and move on to the next mouse, they aren’t often intrested in eating their prey, they don’t play with it, they are remarkably fast, too, faster than cats—I’ve seen jack russels chase and capture a squirll…and they can’t even climb a tree.

Small boys often make fun of killing ants, bugs, and even lizards…and as long as they also respect nature I think its part of human development to do this. They first realize their power over creatures, and then they realize they must CARE for these small things. Some children aren’t born with the innate sence to care…plus as long as they are smushing and not torturing…I don’t see a problem.

Are we all going to be like that lysol comercial that has the germ-killing tissues and they say “Thank goodness for forgiveness?” For if we start humanizing animals, then we can humanize plants…I mean there are plants that can eat insects…even plants that can eat mice!!!

And I live on acres of land. My cats often run around the woods loose. Its not irresponsible, its just how my mom was raised, and since we live in the middle of no-where thats what we do. If we lived in a city, I’d keep them in, but since we do not, there’s no reason for them to be in.

 

[CarolAnnSFO]

Small boys often make fun of killing ants, bugs, and even lizards…and as long as they also respect nature I think its part of human development to do this. They first realize their power over creatures, and then they realize they must CARE for these small things. Some children aren’t born with the innate sence to care…plus as long as they are smushing and not torturing…I don’t see a problem.

Just bringing up this point, that in the example given by the original poster (of deliberately crushing lizards under the leg of a chair), it was high school kids doing the killing. That is more than old enough to have outgrown any developmental need to feel power over creatures.

I would seriously worry about any high school-age kid who still felt the need to torture animals.

 

[yugnok]

Is it wrong to kill animal intentionally?

When I was in high school, I had a group of classmates who loved to kill lizards, insects, etc. Once there was a lizard in my classroom, and they deliberately used the leg of a chair to crush its head. It seems that they really enjoyed it.

I’m not talking abt mosquito or flies. Though for ants, usually I place them in the more appropriate place rather than kill them. But now I try to prevent them coming to my kitchen.

Any opinion?

If its a cat, its ok. They are the minions of Satan (Joke).

 

[Beyrak]

If its a cat, its ok. They are the minions of Satan (Joke).

It can bring me to tears to see a dog hurt or killed in a movie.

But a cat I could forget about in a New York minu… hmm, lost my train of thought and forgot what I was going to post.

 

[Keikiolu]

If its a cat, its ok. They are the minions of Satan (Joke).

My usual phrase when discussing anything “cat” is:

Bag’em, fling’em, bloop…

(( JOKING!!! ))

 

[vince2paul]

If its a cat, its ok. They are the minions of Satan (Joke).

I agree!!
I still dislike cat till now!

When I was 5/6, I ‘saved’ a stray cat at the wet market, although I had to argue my mum.
I brought it home happily. But after some time, it started problem at home! fought with my dog, stole my food!
Yes! The cat stole my food on the table!
I felt betrayed! So I had to return it back where it came from

Pri 4/5, I ‘saved’ another kitten, very beautiful; blue eyes, white fur, with a small black patch at the end of its tail. I had to be honest, my mum hates cat, so I hid it in my house for few days.

But after some time, my male dog was the one more in love with the kitten. So he decided to ‘babysit’ the cat. He brought he cat here and there, acted like its mother. (Then my mum saw them and allowed the cat to be at home) He would bit behind the neck. He would bring it to the market, almost everywhere! He loved it so much.

However, I think he had amnesia, because I heard that he brought it to the market and left it there
There goes my beloved cat. Since then, I gave up ‘saving’ stray animals.

I decided to look after what’s in the house. My mum has a maltese and a parrot now and I’m in love with the parrot. He can pronounce my name and call me! haha…

 

[deb1]

I saw an ad for animal planet that really annoyed me.
The ad was for a new show and it claimed that humans are the only animal that kills for no reason. That is not true.

As I wrote in a few posts, my very plump, well fed cat kills mice. My cat does not eat the mice, she is killing for pleasure. When new male lions take over the pride of a rival male, the newcomers kill the offspring of the rival male. That seems unnecessary.

It used to be that animal documentaries showed predators killing animals and the prey struggling as the lion or wolf pack consumed it. Now we have a bunch of Steve Irwin copies who never show us the animals being wild animals. They tell you several facts about the animals and praise its beauty. These TV shows become more about the human expert then the animal itself.

Nature is beautiful but it is also savage. I wonder if animal lovers of today really love real animals or if they love an imaginary version of wildlife that doesn’t exist.

 

[CarolAnnSFO]

As I wrote in a few posts, my very plump, well fed cat kills mice. My cat does not eat the mice, she is killing for pleasure. When new male lions take over the pride of a rival male, the newcomers kill the offspring of the rival male. That seems unnecessary.

It may seem that they are killing unnecessarily, but they are just following the instincts that are hard-wired into their brains – the instinct to catch, kill, and eat food, the instinct to increase the chance of passing on one’s genes by killing off the rivals, and so on. They’re not killing for “fun” in the sick, twisted way of an adult (or near-adult) human killing an animal that he has no intention of eating, and that isn’t hurting him, just for the heck of it.

 

[Fidelia]

I saw an ad for animal planet that really annoyed me.
The ad was for a new show and it claimed that humans are the only animal that kills for no reason. That is not true.

As I wrote in a few posts, my very plump, well fed cat kills mice. My cat does not eat the mice, she is killing for pleasure. When new male lions take over the pride of a rival male, the newcomers kill the offspring of the rival male. That seems unnecessary.

It used to be that animal documentaries showed predators killing animals and the prey struggling as the lion or wolf pack consumed it. Now we have a bunch of Steve Irwin copies who never show us the animals being wild animals. They tell you several facts about the animals and praise its beauty. These TV shows become more about the human expert then the animal itself.

Nature is beautiful but it is also savage. I wonder if animal lovers of today really love real animals or if they love an imaginary version of wildlife that doesn’t exist.

The difference, is that humans know right from wrong, and have conscience and free will, instead of just instinct like animals. You can’t say we can kill because they do any more than you can say we can fornicate and have polygamous relations because they do.

 

[deb1]

The difference, is that humans know right from wrong, and have conscience and free will, instead of just instinct like animals. You can’t say we can kill because they do any more than you can say we can fornicate and have polygamous relations because they do.

I agree. Animals do not know right or wrong. But the ad for the program made it sound as if animals are somehow superior to humans. From a human perspective, animals are pretty savage and that is something that is being lost in today’s animal shows. I think that there is a desire to make animals seem more human in an effort to assist us in relating to them.

The irony is that a lot of people who love animals, don’t really love real animals. They are enamored of a Disney type of animal that doesn’t exist.