Killing Animals for "Sport"

[vz71]

Somebody must have ripped the pages out of your Bible! Better buy a new one!

Interesting assumption.

Does one need to explain the word assume to you?

 

[vz71]

What many of the “don’t kill the bambi” crowd don’t or won’t understand is that deer have many predators: Bear, wolf, mountain lion, coyote for the large ones and add large birds, foxes and small wild cats for the younger ones. Why don’t those predators control the population? Because we killed them for sport. Think not? Think again.

Sorry, I don’t buy that for a minute.

When I take a hike through a wildlife park and have the administration of the park falling over themselves to warn me about the dangerous predators there, I have to assume the predators are there.

Now your trying to tell me they are not?

So who do I believe? The park rangers? You?

 

[CWBetts]

Sorry, I don’t buy that for a minute.

When I take a hike through a wildlife park and have the administration of the park falling over themselves to warn me about the dangerous predators there, I have to assume the predators are there.

Now your trying to tell me they are not?

So who do I believe? The park rangers? You?

You are joking, right? Do you think that the only paces animals can be found is national parks? Are you kidding me? None of those predators live around where I do. Therefore, hunting is needed for population control of prey animals.

 

[pnewton]

From the Douay-Rheims:

God provided all of the beasts that we may feed upon them.
Unless you disagree that my understanding is a valid one.

Unless the translation is off, the antecedent for “they” is the the animals, not Adam.

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And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat: 30 And to all beasts of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to all that move upon the earth, and wherein there is life, that they (the animals) may have to feed upon. *
The veggies were given to Adam and to the animals. Otherwise it would read “and of allthe beasts…” and then, “…that you may have to feed upon.”

Without examining the Hebrew I can’t be certain. If the translation is accurate though, the animals are not given to Adam for him to eat, at least not in the garden.

29 And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat: 30 And to all beasts of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to all that move upon the earth, and wherein there is life, that they may have to feed upon. And it was so done.

29 And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat: 30 And to all beasts of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to all that move upon the earth, and wherein there is life, that they may have to feed upon. And it was so done.

 

[vz71]

Unless the translation is off, the antecedent for “they” is the the animals, not Adam.

Perhaps a valid point.

But if we are going to toss around bible passages concerning the vegetarian diet, then we are going to run smack into Acts 10 in which Peter is comanded to kill and eat.

*11 And he saw the heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great linen sheet let down by the four corners from heaven to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts, and creeping things of the earth, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat. 14 But Peter said: Far be it from me; for I never did eat any thing that is common and unclean. 15 And the voice spoke to him again the second time: That which God hath cleansed, do not thou call common. *

 

[Indyann]

Perhaps a valid point.

But if we are going to toss around bible passages concerning the vegetarian diet, then we are going to run smack into Acts 10 in which Peter is comanded to kill and eat.

Therefore, Jewish people are the only ones who should be vegan

 

[CWBetts]

Therefore, Jewish people are the only ones who should be vegan

Until you run into the Levitical sacrifices!

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Please pardon me in advance. I am taking a priest friend of mine to a gun shop later this week so he can have a new scope put on his rifle in order to go deer hunting on a large ranch west of here this deer season. The meat will be donated to a local orphanage. They look forward to it every year.

 

[vz71]

You are joking, right? Do you think that the only paces animals can be found is national parks? Are you kidding me? None of those predators live around where I do. Therefore, hunting is needed for population control of prey animals.

Not joking at all.
If the vegetarians wish me to believe that there are no predators because they have been all killed, then there is some serious explaining to do concerning why I am still susceptible to becoming lunch when venturing into the wild.

 

[CWBetts]

Not joking at all.
If the vegetarians wish me to believe that there are no predators because they have been all killed, then there is some serious explaining to do concerning why I am still susceptible to becoming lunch when venturing into the wild.

If you can’t recognize that there are regions devoid of predators, you have a fairly skewed view of things.

 

[Indyann]

Please pardon me in advance. I am taking a priest friend of mine to a gun shop later this week so he can have a new scope put on his rifle in order to go deer hunting on a large ranch west of here this deer season. The meat will be donated to a local orphanage. They look forward to it every year.

Oh horrors, Deacon, I think that is called “cooperating in evil”

 

[vz71]

Therefore, Jewish people are the only ones who should be vegan

Then you run into the problem concerning the lamb served during passover.

But that is in another thread.

 

[vz71]

If you can’t recognize that there are regions devoid of predators, you have a fairly skewed view of things.

I didn’t say that.

What I said was “When I take a hike through a wildlife park and have the administration of the park falling over themselves to warn me about the dangerous predators there, I have to assume the predators are there.”

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Oh horrors, Deacon, I think that is called “cooperating in evil”

Guilty as charged.

 

[Indyann]

Then you run into the problem concerning the lamb served during passover.

But that is in another thread.

yep! Kind of shoots (pun intended) the biblical based explanation for vegetarianism, all to heck.

 

[Marfran]

Please pardon me in advance. I am taking a priest friend of mine to a gun shop later this week so he can have a new scope put on his rifle in order to go deer hunting on a large ranch west of here this deer season. ***The meat will be donated to a local orphanage. *** They look forward to it every year.

That’s really kind of sad. Giving children unsafe meat. scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=wild-game-deer-venison-condors-meat-lead-ammunition-ban

“But lead is a dangerous neurotoxin, particularly for children and fetuses. Low levels can harm children’s developing brains, causing learning disabilities and reduced IQs. High levels can trigger severe neurological problems.”

*“That realization led Cornatzer and a radiologist last year to X-ray 100 packages of venison that had been donated by a sportsmen group to a food bank. About 60 percent of the packages contained lead-shot fragments, even though it’s common practice among hunters to remove meat around the wound.” *

 

[CWBetts]

That’s really kind of sad. Giving children unsafe meat. scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=wild-game-deer-venison-condors-meat-lead-ammunition-ban

“But lead is a dangerous neurotoxin, particularly for children and fetuses. Low levels can harm children’s developing brains, causing learning disabilities and reduced IQs. High levels can trigger severe neurological problems.”

*“That realization led Cornatzer and a radiologist last year to X-ray 100 packages of venison that had been donated by a sportsmen group to a food bank. About 60 percent of the packages contained lead-shot fragments, even though it’s common practice among hunters to remove meat around the wound.” *

How uncharitable of you to automatically assume the worst about these good men. Charity does seem to be a virtue in short supply among militant vegans.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

That’s really kind of sad. Giving children unsafe meat. scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=wild-game-deer-venison-condors-meat-lead-ammunition-ban

“But lead is a dangerous neurotoxin, particularly for children and fetuses. Low levels can harm children’s developing brains, causing learning disabilities and reduced IQs. High levels can trigger severe neurological problems.”

*“That realization led Cornatzer and a radiologist last year to X-ray 100 packages of venison that had been donated by a sportsmen group to a food bank. About 60 percent of the packages contained lead-shot fragments, even though it’s common practice among hunters to remove meat around the wound.” *

Soooooo you don’t think anyone should hunt at all. Not for sport, not for food, not for anything.

A Deacon of the CATHOLIC church and Priest donate food to an orphanage, you accuse them of donating unsafe meat.

So instead of debating, why not say clearly that you believe hunting is wrong at all times.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

That’s really kind of sad. Giving children unsafe meat. scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=wild-game-deer-venison-condors-meat-lead-ammunition-ban

“But lead is a dangerous neurotoxin, particularly for children and fetuses. Low levels can harm children’s developing brains, causing learning disabilities and reduced IQs. High levels can trigger severe neurological problems.”

*“That realization led Cornatzer and a radiologist last year to X-ray 100 packages of venison that had been donated by a sportsmen group to a food bank. About 60 percent of the packages contained lead-shot fragments, even though it’s common practice among hunters to remove meat around the wound.” *

Unsafe meat??? You must be referring to the game birds, i.e., duck and geese who were hit with lead pellets but not killed. Most ammunition for birds is now lead free. it costs more, but is available. If the bird or animal was not wounded before the kill, there is no “dangerous neurotoxin” as you say. A single shot kill with a lead bullet does not contaminate the meat. Nor does one with several hits required for a kill. I don’t know of any hunter who needs that many. I have never needed more than one shot, and that goes back to 1965 for deer. I have never had a deer processed that included the wound as you say. No wound meat = no lead fragments. All the ammunition that I use, or all the hunters I know expands. It does not fragment. Those against hunting will use any argument, just as you have, to say how evil it is. Sorry.

 

[Marfran]

Soooooo you don’t think anyone should hunt at all. Not for sport, not for food, not for anything.

A Deacon of the CATHOLIC church and Priest donate food to an orphanage, you accuse them of donating unsafe meat.

So instead of debating, why not say clearly that you believe hunting is wrong at all times.

The priest is donating deer meat to an orphanage. I posted information from a scientific journal raising questions about the safety of meat procurred this way. If there is an issue about lead in meat, especially if it has an even more severe impact on children and pregnant women, wouldn’t this be something a responsible person would consider before donating such meat???