Well, you are sounding very defensive! I started this thread with the simple topic of hunting for sport, as opposed to hunting to feed your family. I don’t believe that I indicated an opinion in my OP.
Not getting defensive. It was your response to Pete that had me wondering. In your response, you had gone on a tangent about how hunters spend so much money on this or that, making the actual cost of the meat more than buying it in a grocery store.
I come from a hunting family, and if I sound judgemental it is from personal experience.
**Being judgemental is being judgemental. It doesn’t matter whether you have experience in the matter, or not. Passing judgement on someone because of YOUR past is not very Christian. You don’t know the value I place on the hunt, on the animal, and on its meat. **
I have also worked in a wildlife rehab where I have had to tend to many animals with GSW’s and other wounds inflicted upon them by people…
I work as a nurse in the ICU. I tend to many people who have experienced wounds inflicted upon them by people. (typically, by car accidents 10 to one over guns) To intentionally shoot an animal out of season is illegal and wrong. However, is it more wrong than the things people do to people? Not by a long shot. People are more important than animals. Animals do not have immortal souls. They are not created in God’s image.
My hobbies??? Making lunches for my kids. I won’t let them eat the garbage hot lunch at the school.
Good. Neither do I.
Reading. Yes, I buy books…
And I like to hunt. I like to fish. I like to read as well, before you start thinking I’m a cretin or something. But, again I say, don’t pass judgement on how people spend their money. You don’t know what I spend on hunting (which is actually very little).
I have only tried tofurkey once…
These examples were nothing more than examples. Not literally “tofurkeys and soy lattes,” but examples. Organic vegan foods are very expensive, at least in my part of the world. It is less expensive to buy some vegetables and some meat, rather than try to supplement with pricey tofu for protein. However, I think the price of food is probably another topic for discussion that could be started on another thread.
…and I know that you can eat healthy on a budget.
And we do. Fresh vegetables and game meat are very healthy.
You should see the documentary film Food Inc. That film will scare anybody into making healthier choices. It’s not about vegan or vegetarian food–the ***v ***word is not even used in the film.
No doubt that we should know where our food comes from. That’s one reason I hunt. And yes, we both agree that processed food is bad for you–especially HFCS. I don’t need to see the movie to know that. However, if given the chance, I’ll take you up on that. Again, that’s why I like my fresh veggies from our local small farms and my meat from my hunts.
Michael Pollan is highlighted in this film. He is anti-factory farm and thinks that ***hunting ***and organic meat is better than factory farm meat
BTW: I tried growing my own vegetables this year. Great way to save money and be free of chemicals/pesticides. That’s my new hobby.
Great. I have a compost bin. We bought this, our first home, a couple of years ago, and are still working the soil, as the prior owners didn’t do much with it. Not much land to work with, but I think we can make it work. I also like to climb mountains and pick fresh berries in the fall. Big problem with growing a vegetable garden here is the short short short growing season.
My point about the gadgets and expenditures of sports hunters is that it does not make for an economical meat… Sports hunters hunt, not out of need, but for psychological reasons–how does hunting make me feel? And I pose the question–if not hunting for need, can hunting and killing for the game of it be justified? The CCC states clearly that we are to be kind to animals and not cause them to suffer or die needlessly.
Many of us, at least where I am from don’t spend that kind of money. And if there is a psychological enjoyment out of hunting, so be it. I’ve said that I love the experience, the chase, the hunting, and the bringing home of the meat for my family. The CCC does not condemn hunting, even if it is not out of some “explicit” need. My interpretation is that to “suffer and die needlessly,” would mean that you would kill the animal and let it rot, without salvaging the meat for consumption. That is needless death. IThat is wasteful. If you put it to use, it is not needless.
I think that vegans/vegetarians have come to some understandings and conclusions that omnivores, or those who are unfamiliar with this choice or diet, have difficulty imagining for themselves, and often feel threatened by.
**Not so. have never felt threatened by vegans, only irritated by their SOMETIMES judgemental attitude. Most are not judgemental and smug. There are some, however, that are not so “peace-loving.” **
If you detect any bitterness in my voice, it is because I have relatives/loved ones killing themselves with food, and I am powerless to help them. I hate the Big Mac and the Dunkin Donut, and all the unhealthy excesses of our Western culture.
So do I. But your bitterness is being extended to people who wouldn’t think of eating a Big Mac or Dunkin Donut, but would rather have a fresh, lean, Dall Sheep steak, or caribou burger, or Moutain goat burger. Hunting does not equal Big Mac, okay? It doesn’t equal excess. In fact, I worked very hard this fall–hiked, as I said, over100 hundred miles.
I think that hunting, once used for survival, has morphed into a sport.
It depends on what you define as sport hunting. Is it just the hunting for a trophy, or are you including my more holistic view of hunting in that category? Are you including all hunting as “sport hunting,”–because that is what the above paragraph tells me that you are doing. I understand why people object to it, but I think they should try to understand why I like to do it. And not call me a “cavewoman,” “sadist,” or “murderer,” or imply any of the above.
And are there other hunters, or other hunting attitudes that*** you ***object to? QUOTE]
Of course the canned hunts are pointless and wrong, in my opinion.
I love reading your posts. The love you have for God and for His people comes out in what you say. Just wanted to say thank you. 