Killing Animals for "Sport"

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bigfootbob said:
I wouldn’t mind reading it. I don’t see anything wrong with trying to get a nice animal.
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Agree with you bigfootbob. First hubby was a game hunter and did get a trophy deer and we ate the meat, mighty tasty too I might add. Granddaughter and family a big game hunters. Granddaughter killed a deer 4 weeks age eats the meat too. Also went bear hunting when she was 7 months pg and killed a bear, ate it too. I love to go to but love fishing more and am always hopeing to catch the next big one, never have but maybe someday!!! I too enjoy reading sport hunting magazines.👍
 
bigfootbob said:
I wouldn’t mind reading it. I don’t see anything wrong with trying to get a nice animal.
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??? Natural predators do not choose the biggest, strongest prey animal. They cull the weak and the sick from the flocks of prey animals, and DO perform an important ecological function.

It is contrary to nature to seek to hunt the biggest and best specimen.
 
Marfran said:
??? Natural predators do not choose the biggest, strongest prey animal. They cull the weak and the sick from the flocks of prey animals, and DO perform an important ecological function.

It is contrary to nature to seek to hunt the biggest and best specimen.
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So what? I am not a natural predator. (I don’t think?)
 
Ridgerunner said:
Just to clarify. Very few cattle live confined lives, and for good reason. One of the most significant benefits cattle confer on humans is cows’ ability to make food out of grass. Grass is useless to human beings as a food. Grass is out in the fields, and it’s far cheaper to let them graze in the field than it is to feed them in confinement.
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My dear ridgerunner, your nickname should tell you what I mean by confined. Remember the song that said, don’t fence me in? The deer are ridgerunners, the cows are fenced in. My words were more poetic than positive.
It is surprising to witness the intensity of this conversation. Except for the aberration of cruelty, which when not focused on the hapless animal is likely directed towards unfortunate brothers and sisters, hunting and fishing are healthy and harmless pursuits. For me, the kill is incidental to the larger action. I try to make it sure, clean and one shot. Hunting may be my excuse to be afield with a gun, perhaps to test my practiced ability to shoot straight. As Jefferson said, “A strong body makes a strong mind. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind.-----Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.”

May the Lord strengthen us all in body and soul.
 
Marfran said:
??? Natural predators do not choose the biggest, strongest prey animal. They cull the weak and the sick from the flocks of prey animals, and DO perform an important ecological function.

It is contrary to nature to seek to hunt the biggest and best specimen.
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If it is meant for human consumption, the animal *should *be healthy. Eating a sick animal is not really safe or I guess appetizing.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
If it is meant for human consumption, the animal *should *be healthy. Eating a sick animal is not really safe or I guess appetizing.
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The point is that we are not natural predators, and do not follow the rules of PREDATION. BTW: ***No ***meat is safe for human consumption unless we cook it first.

So in not being a natural predator, there are quite possibly motivations to hunt, that should be held up to the light and examined. One can argue for hunting for food or conservation, but can we justify hunting for the thrill of killing, and the inflation of ego and trophy? Killing for thrill, and for stroking our egos (as depicted in glossy magazine photos), serves what purpose?
 
4elise said:
No one has said that it is a sin to eat meat - some I know have stronger feelings about hunting, especially given the OP regarding ‘sport’ hunting
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As soon as anyone uses the CCC to justify a vegetarian diet, they necessitate putting anyone else that does not follow this diet outside of the CCC.
And thus they are placed in sin.

It is a lifestyle choice, the CCC should have nothing to do with it.
 
Marfran said:
??? Natural predators do not choose the biggest, strongest prey animal. They cull the weak and the sick from the flocks of prey animals, and DO perform an important ecological function.

It is contrary to nature to seek to hunt the biggest and best specimen.
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No, they go after what they can catch.
Big difference.
 
Marfran said:
??? Natural predators do not choose the biggest, strongest prey animal. They cull the weak and the sick from the flocks of prey animals, and DO perform an important ecological function.

It is contrary to nature to seek to hunt the biggest and best specimen.
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Technically speaking, a predator chooses the prey that they can catch. That often is the sick or the young. But a predator would have no hesitation in going after the strongest of the herd if it thought it could take it down.
 
Marfran said:
The point is that we are not natural predators, and do not follow the rules of PREDATION. BTW: ***No ***meat is safe for human consumption unless we cook it first.
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Sure we do.
The choice of prey by any predator is a choice of economics.
How much energy must I expend for the meal?
How much danger do I put myself in for this meal?

For humans, the answers to these are minimal for the vast majority of animals.
Marfran said:
So in not being a natural predator, there are quite possibly motivations to hunt, that should be held up to the light and examined.
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Here we go again.
Marfran said:
One can argue for hunting for food or conservation,
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Good.
Marfran said:
but can we justify hunting for the thrill of killing,
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Yes, it can be. You need to answer for what happens to the kill after the hunt to decide the morality involved.
Marfran said:
and the inflation of ego and trophy?
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Again, the answer is yes. These are perfectly justifiable.
The question has to do with what is done to the prey once the hunt is finished.
Marfran said:
Killing for thrill, and for stroking our egos (as depicted in glossy magazine photos), serves what purpose?
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It doesn’t have to serve any purpose at all.
The qualifier is the question of wasting the kill or providing for a need.
 
Marfran said:
The point is that we are not natural predators, and do not follow the rules of PREDATION.
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Where exactly are these ‘rules of predation’ set down? The raccoons that got into my hen house went after BOTH the full grown hens AND the pullets. Was there some rule that I should have chastized them for?

I’ve seen bear fishing for salmon. They seem to go for whatever fish they can grab, regardless of the overall health of the target. In fact, if there were two within range of it’s paws, I cannot image the bear choosing the smaller one over the larger one.

Are bears now unnatural hunters too?
BTW: ***No ***meat is safe for human consumption unless we cook it first.
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Ever hear of Carpaccio, or sushi, 😉
 
vz71 said:
As soon as anyone uses the CCC to justify a vegetarian diet, they necessitate putting anyone else that does not follow this diet outside of the CCC.
And thus they are placed in sin.

It is a lifestyle choice, the CCC should have nothing to do with it.
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Perhaps I am not making myself clear - I do not use the CCC to ‘justify’ a vegetarian diet - but feel reinforced in this ‘lifestyle choice’ —

I think some use the term ‘lifestyle choice’ in a derogatory manner (implying something un-Christian) - but I will assume you are just saying that it is the way one chooses to live their life, and not take umbrage
 
Marfran said:
By the subsequent posts it appears that you are wrong!!!
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I guess so - but they have stated that they have eaten the meat so it guess it isn’t exclusively hunting only for a trophy - perhaps this is where there is a distinction - even if they are taking the ‘trophy’ animal from the herd. :confused:
 
4elise said:
I guess so - but they have stated that they have eaten the meat so it guess it isn’t exclusively hunting only for a trophy - perhaps this is where there is a distinction - even if they are taking the ‘trophy’ animal from the herd. :confused:
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Ding ding ding!👍 If you were to kill a trophy animal, take just it’s head and leave the rest it would be sinful. (not to mention illegal)
 
4elise said:
Perhaps I am not making myself clear - I do not use the CCC to ‘justify’ a vegetarian diet - but feel reinforced in this ‘lifestyle choice’ —

I think some use the term ‘lifestyle choice’ in a derogatory manner (implying something un-Christian) - but I will assume you are just saying that it is the way one chooses to live their life, and not take umbrage
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Justify or reinforce is of little difference here.
You are still interpreting the CCC to say something that enforces your lifestyle choice.

And yes, I do not use lifestyle choice in a derogatory manner.
You will see quotes around it when that happens.
 
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