Killing in defense of an animal

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bilop said:
What does any of that have to do with stopping someone who is gratuitously hurting a pet? the topic of discussion changed somewhere to include the humane killing of any animal with this poster.

I’m no animal activist, I don’t even really want pets. I fully support hunting, and am a total carnivore. I have zero problem with the proper use of animals to benefit mankind. ditto that. The poster’s answer to the question of the acceptable humane way to kill an animal is only injection. the poster’s agenda becomes clear. Hunting is not humane nor is consuming meat nor is the use of animal byproducts like leather or fur for coats.

Still, if I saw someone gratuitously harming a pet, or other animal, and I felt I could intervene with little risk to myself, I would do so. Who wouldn’t.

If it were my pet, or my family’s, on our property, I would be prepared to use deadly force if my intervention caused the attacker to turn on me. agreed, but a different topic than the op.

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They seemed pretty important to keep the mouse population down in the grain and hay storage areas. Every so often, a cat would disappear - I suppose a fox or a hawk would get one now and then. But we NEVER drowned them. Cats were most welcome on our farm and at all our neighbors’ places.

So your farm put up with the cruelty to some animals (like the mice) for the greater good. Interesting.

Putting a cat in a position to be eaten alive by a fox or hawk isn’t cruel and inhumane?
 
aimee said:
Well, you could change the perpetraitor from a ‘rooster’ to a ‘hen’…that should keep him from harming an innocent creature…:whistle:
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Yeah, yeah. Might even save his soul. That’s the ticket.😉
 
MakeUpArtist said:
If my compassion bothers you so much I suggest you take it up with the moderator.
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You could just treat everyone with a little humility and humanity, self-govern. You know practice what you preach.

If belittling others is all you can understand, then stand back, your in for an education…
 
“Is it ever justifiable to kill a person in defense of an animal/pet?”

I have to say that you have two VERY different catagories here in animal vs pet. Still, if there are no other ramifications or data on the event then no.

You may have legal recourse but not deadly force.

What is interesting is the reverse situation. “Is it ever justifiable to kill an animal in defense of a human being.” I would say yes always, but in this country I suspect certain zones would seek to prosecute you for doing so.🙂
 
Drowning the pets problem is not usually a situation that soccer moms and golf dads usually run across so it DOES come about with shock factor. Still, those of us with rural family roots or close associations with farm families know that dairy farms especially see that cats can multiply big time. I know of one farm that wound up with around 100 cats before they were forced to take action.

In this case the cats were allowed to keep down the mice and rats. The simple economics of the situation prevent most farm people from doing what city folks do using the veterinary. Further, there are always strays about that city folks come and dump out in the country…that is if the coyotes don’t find them 1st

They are an animal, kept for a specific purpose and they are disposed of when they become a problem.

Sorry if this sounds cruel but it’s just the way things are, not like a Walt Disney frolic with the bears context.

The farmers I’ve talked to DON’T like to get rid of them, its just an obligation of the farm.
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MakeUpArtist said:
Drowning a kitten is never humane. Drowning is one of the most painful ways to die. It doesn’t matter how backwards a society is. It’s cruel.
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A humane person has an obligation to end needless suffering for any animal. If a pet is hit on the road on a Sunday, should you allow it to live in agony in until the vet can get there on Monday to put it down? How would you handle that situation?

How is drowning painful? How does it hurt. Your placing human emotions on an animal, that were your getting it wrong.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
They seemed pretty important to keep the mouse population down in the grain and hay storage areas. Every so often, a cat would disappear - I suppose a fox or a hawk would get one now and then. But we NEVER drowned them. Cats were most welcome on our farm and at all our neighbors’ places.

So your farm put up with the cruelty to some animals (like the mice) for the greater good. Interesting.

Putting a cat in a position to be eaten alive by a fox or hawk isn’t cruel and inhumane?
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Wow, Sean. Just…Wow.:confused:

Are you for real? I think you are doing this for the shock factor.:cool:

I suppose you think tigers living in the wild that take down a gazelle isn’t OK either…

Do you SEE a difference, or are you just being obstinate?:cool:
 
Catholic90 said:
Wow, Sean. Just…Wow.:confused:

Are you for real? I think you are doing this for the shock factor.:cool:

I suppose you think tigers living in the wild that take down a gazelle isn’t OK either…

Do you SEE a difference, or are you just being obstinate?:cool:
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Yes, I see the difference. I’m very clear on the burtality of nature also being part of its beauty, not so sure about everyone else (your not included in that statement).

I apologize to you for using your message to try to drawn out the agenda of another poster. I’m trying to show the whole picture to someone that thinks anything but injections is cruel. I’m sorry for using your message in that fashion without tell you about it first.
 
Sean Boyle; said:
Putting a cat in a position to be eaten alive by a fox or hawk isn’t cruel and inhumane?
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Sean, on the farm it is the cat that puts itself in that position. It’s the natural order of things outside the city. The truly wild feral cat stays under cover.

Another example is the beagle who gets so involved chasing a rabbit or other critter that he fails to pay attention to the train on the same tracks.

It most certainly COULD be cruel to tether a cat in a place where a known fox, coyote, or hawk is active. Still, as bait necessary to eliminate a predator the practice could be justified. It just matters on the intent of the one doing the tethering.

What do you think?🙂
 
How to kill animals humanely is a good question. From what I’ve seen most farm folks look at the most expedient method. The city folks who have emotionally incorporated the animal into their family like to use the expensive put down method.

Sorry my earlier post sort of patronized you Sean. My eyeballs simply blurped over your last post.

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Mike_Cooksey said:
How to kill animals humanely is a good question. Agreed! From what I’ve seen most farm folks look at the most expedient method. Agreed! The city folks who have emotionally incorporated the animal into their family like to use the expensive put down method. nail on the head! They’ve given animals a value equal to humans in some cases.

Sorry my earlier post sort of patronized you Sean. My eyeballs simply blurped over your last post.

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I completely understand. My fault really.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
A humane person has an obligation to end needless suffering for any animal. If a pet is hit on the road on a Sunday, should you allow it to live in agony in until the vet can get there on Monday to put it down? How would you handle that situation?

How is drowning painful? How does it hurt. Your placing human emotions on an animal, that were your getting it wrong.
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I agree that if an animal/pet is suffering needlessly and there is little else that can be done that would actually trully fix/cure whatever that it should be put down as humanely as possible. If I was in that situation above I am not sure what I would do. I guess it would depend on whether or not it;s my animal or not you know? Not to mention laws…that would kinda suck to shoot a dog dead thinking your saving it suffering only to have the owners press legal charges or something…or get charged for shooting my own pet.

And my husband almost drowned once so did a friend of mine and they would tell you that it is definately painful. Have you ever held your breath a very long time? So long that it starts to hurt? Now imagine this and imagine that you are under water and when you really need that air you can;t get it. But your body which is so desperate for air at this point breathes in anyway getting filling your lungs with water. It is a very awful way to die. Also animals do feel many of the same emotions we do and a big one that an animal drowning would most likely feel is fear and a lot of it.
 
PeteZaHut said:
Is it ever justifiable to kill a person in defense of an animal/pet?
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When I was about seven years old, I witnessed an older boy take all of the tadpoles we caught that day out of the bucket of water and throw them hard one by one at a stone wall. I’ll never forget how sad this made me. I wanted to cry but didn’t dare. This boy didn’t feel anything for the suffering he was causing these simple creatures.

People who deliberately hurt animals purely for their own amusement are fair game for whatever it takes to stop their unnecessary cruelty. I’m not talking about sports of culture cockfighting or bullfighting, nor am I talking about the meat/agriculture industry. I’m talking about recent news stories about cats being lit on fire and dogs that have been found skinned alive. God forgive me, but I think I am capable of doing whatever it takes to stop a person from doing an act like that.:mad: :mad: :mad:

By the way, I think fighting a mentally inferior creature like a bull with a spear is cowardice. The saving grace is that the meat is not wasted. Therefore I like it when the bull wins! 👍
 
I have no idea, and I never thought about it but when I do think about it… if something happened to my husband because he was trying to save my favorite pet, I think I would start to hate that pet and curse my husband’s stupidity…
 
Sorry Pete, but I think this one is a little silly: anyone who works with or around large animals are putting their lives at risk on a daily basis.

It’s just part of the job.

Now, if you leap into the water to save your dog from a shark attack, it could potentially be a mortal sin IF you’ve taken the time to reflect on the realitive value of animal and human life, calculated your odds of dieing in the process, and determined that your actions would amount to suicide.

But I have a feeling that by the time you made this considered choice, the shark would have already resolved the matter.
 
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