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Whitacre_Girl
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I’m sure that was a side note. The more important thing was everything else.
The truth is, God doesn’t forbid the eating of animals or the killing of them. In many cases he demands it. Christ, who was God, and totally without sin ate meat. We know this beyond the shadow of a doubt because he partook in a passover meal where lamb is always served.
Jesus filled the nets of fishermen with fish (so unless you want to say Jesus murdered) so honestly…if meat is good enough for Christ, it’s good enough for me.
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taste is how we tell good food from bad food - that is why we have taste. It is not my fault if God gave fish a good and enjoyable taste. I am very thankful for good tasting food. You may have the bad tasting food if you wish and be miserable. But me, me, I rather wash my face, be cheerful, eat good tasting fish and bread. Thank you very much for your misery, but I’m not interested.
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God has never demanded we eat meat.I’m sure that was a side note. The more important thing was everything else.
The truth is, God doesn’t forbid the eating of animals or the killing of them. In many cases he demands it. Christ, who was God, and totally without sin ate meat. We know this beyond the shadow of a doubt because he partook in a passover meal where lamb is always served.
Jesus filled the nets of fishermen with fish (so unless you want to say Jesus murdered) so honestly…if meat is good enough for Christ, it’s good enough for me.
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Obviously you ignored my references in scripture.
God demanded that the Lamb be eaten.
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Whitacre_Girl
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I don’t know where you got this, unless you are just talking about the New Testament. Check the Old Testament. God had demanded the ritual sacrifice of lambs, goats, doves, and beef. He has also demanded the consumption of lamb on the passover.
God also states that the law was perfect, and I find it highly unlikely he’d demand us to sin to wash away the guilt of other sins.
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The point is that if these breeds go extinct----us humans will too(dying from hunger& lack of iron!)
I love YOU!–nice list & thought provoking!!
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I will not get into a discussion on the OT if you dont mind. I have found where it is said that God wants our sacrifice not the sacrifice of animals. I also look at Isaiah and what he said about the world to be.I don’t know where you got this, unless you are just talking about the New Testament. Check the Old Testament. God had demanded the ritual sacrifice of lambs, goats, doves, and beef. He has also demanded the consumption of lamb on the passover.
God also states that the law was perfect, and I find it highly unlikely he’d demand us to sin to wash away the guilt of other sins.
I have never understood the violence etc from the hand of God. When Christ came, he changed the law to that of love. It is because of Christ that I choose to remain a Christian.
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Well, it’s kind of hard to talk about Christian theology and totally disregard the Old Testament. The law of the Old Testament is the law of God. Christ came that not one bit of it should be changed or erased, but that there should be love and grace.
See, God never forbids the eating of meat. He establishes tradition with his people where the consumption of meat and the ritualistic killing of animals is commonplace and demanded for a holy life.
I believe that Christ came to free us from the law that demands certain actions (such as the killing of animals) due to one’s own conscience. If you don’t feel comfortable eating meat or killing animals then you don’t have to anymore. But in the same turn, all of Christian tradition as well as Jewish tradition holds nothing wrong in the slightest with killing animals for food and clothing. Therefore you are well within your christian right to avoid meat. It does not, however, equate to “holier living” any more than choosing to avoid cotton in your clothing does. That’s where I think the true grace of God comes in. He frees us from the law to live as we wish when it comes to personal tastes. Want to eat pork? Go for it! Don’t want to eat meat at all? Fine. But you are still required to follow moral law such as sexual purity, love, and devotion to the One True God.
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It is the Old Testament that shows why your first statement is false. God did at one time demand eating meat. Now, Catholic teaching is neutral on the subject. The only caveat is that we do not cause unnecessary suffering, as quoted in the Catechism earlier.
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Interesting. I respect those who choose a vegetarian lifestyle, up to the point that they do not respect those who do not.
If by harm you mean death, absolutely.
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severus68
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As I have said, I have never understood the violence in the OT at the hand of God.
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severus68
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In your response to Jane Grey you said that God demands it and thus my response to you.
With respect, how I choose and why I choose not to eat meat is in accordance with my conscience is to me, a good Christianthing. It is not for anyone to belittle it. While I would want everyone to stop eating meat, I cannot force anyone and I have never condemned meat eaters.
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if this thread is going to continue, maybe we should stop discussing the old testament and start discussing the new. i, as the creator of this thread, would like to hear what you all think about my theory that christ would want us to treat the animals we eat with maximum mercy - thus, my choice to become a pollopescovegetarian and a *caretarian *, one who eats only free-range poultry and nonendangered seafood.
can anybody find any fault with that? would anybody like to learn more?
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if this thread is going to continue, maybe we should stop discussing the old testament and start discussing the new. i, as the creator of this thread, would like to hear what you all think about my theory that christ would want us to treat the animals we eat with maximum mercy - thus, my choice to become a pollopescovegetarian and a *caretarian *, one who eats only free-range poultry and nonendangered seafood.
can anybody find any fault with that? would anybody like to learn more?
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Then for whatever reason in your personal spiritual walk you feel that it is best for your own spiritual life to not eat meat. That’s between you and God. The important thing to realize is that scripture, tradition, and church authority and teaching never condemn the eating of meat. So when these discussions come up when someone asks the church teaching it is appropriate to give exactly that - the church teaching.
There are things in my own personal life that I abstain from because I feel that God has asked me to avoid those things in my own life. I also know these things are not condemned by the church, and if people don’t want to partake in these things that’s their choice. I certainly cannot hope or expect anyone else to adopt my personal preferences. I feel this is the same case with eating meat. I applaud you for choosing to abstain in order to draw nearer to Christ in your own life. It is a horrible thing to assume, however, that because of your abstinence you are doing a “better Christian duty” than someone who does eat meat. People who are eating meat are likely abstaining from other things that you regularly indulge in as a personal devotion.
You also admit that you have problems with God in the Old Testament. God is unchanging and infinitely more wise than us. I know that God is loving and just, as well as omniscient. He, for whatever reason, committed these acts that you (and even I) take negatively at times. But God doesn’t make mistakes, and all his judgments are just and holy. I cannot know why he did what he did, but I have faith in who he is, and I know that he is perfect in all things by how he has acted in my own life. So while some of the things in my limited human scope seem unjust or violent, I know that God is just, and so these things were appropriate for whatever reason.
As a side note, your comments about God of the OT concern me more than the misinterpretation of personal preference/personal spirituality and Christian duty/law. Honestly, I think you should have a talk with your priest about it. Satan can use those things to tear us apart. When we start thinking that we are somehow more peaceful or holier than God…there’s a problem. I only say this because I used to wrestle with this in my past.
Nip it in the bud or it’ll eat you alive. Trust me. I know. 
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The Old Testament brings data to the subject of morality, in all areas, as does the New Testament, the Catechism, Encyclicals, the writings of the Saints, science…
I think it important that we not find fault with each others’ choices. As this is not an area in which the Church has judges sin and it is a non-biblical issue, no one person has the moral authority to say anything to another person as far as what we eat being sinful.
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That is so true!Here again is what the Church Teaches–
The current teaching on animals in the Catholic Church:
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animal, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present and future humanity. Use of the mineral, vegetable and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for the moral imperatives. Man’s dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by the concern for the quality of life of his neighbour, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.
2416 Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.
2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image. Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals, if it remains within reasonable limits, is a morally acceptable practice since it contributes to caring for or saving human lives.
2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
2457 Animals are entrusted to man’s stewardship; he must show them kindness. They may be used to serve the just satisfaction of man’s needs.
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