Kneeling to receive Communion

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Well well, there’s nothing like asserting one’s rights when receiving Communion.
I couldn’t help but notice that you feel strongly about receiving properly in an Eastern Catholic Church. You are also aware that the analogy would be to demand CITH while standing at TLM. But you still decided to take CITH in a church where people received on the tongue. Why? Because you can? No respect for the parishioners’ feelings about this (rather sensitive) matter? Sounds a bit arrogant to me.
Each and every Sunday I:

1.) Receive CIH in my main parish. It is one of two PROPER ways to receive communion at an OF Mass in the USA.

2.) Receive CIM (communion in mouth, not on tongue) via a spoon in my ancillary Byzantine Ruthenian Parish.

The only arrogance I note is your own where you take it upon yourself to judge how I PROPERLY receive communion in both of my parishes.

As far as “sensitivity” I see people who demand to kneel cheered-on here without any concern of the sensitivity for others. I couldn’t care less one way or the other. But to then take a shot at someone who demands to receive CIH while standing where it’s allowed? That’s ridiculous.
 
While I rarely touch someone’s mouth or tongue while distributing COT, I routinely feel peoples’ warm/moist breaths. Not a good thing…
 
But to then take a shot at someone who demands to receive CIH while standing where it’s allowed? That’s ridiculous.
Good for him. I would have taken a shot because of your assertive attitude. Sort of defeats the purpose of any kind of communion, to me anyway.
 
Good for him. I would have taken a shot because of your assertive attitude. Sort of defeats the purpose of any kind of communion, to me anyway.
Give me a break. :rotfl:

I’ve read a zillion accounts on how people DEMANDED their “right” to receive COT/kneeling no matter what the setting. Someone even inferred it’s OK in a Byzantine Catholic Church. It’s not for the most part.

It’s my right to receive COT while standing in the situation I described. So while I did not show the arrogance so many others have shown in DEMANDING COT/kneeling you can bet the ranch I will be assertive in receiving communion the way I choose to so long as it’s allowed by the Church.

You can’t have it both ways…

As far as the indult being rescinded? :rotfl:
 
No way. You may be right in theory but the indult isn’t going anywhere. If anything CIH will be given the same status as COT.
I have to wonder…

blog.beliefnet.com/deaconsbench/2010/07/where-are-you-taking-jesus.html
We are also not to kneel after receiving communion – it’s simply not our ancient tradition. Yet some would still do it in the front row.
In the Latin Rite…

Cardinal George asked "In many places, the faithful are accustomed to kneeling or sitting in personal prayer upon returning to their places after having individually received Holy Communion during Mass. Is it the intention of the Missale Romanum, editio typica tertia, to forbid this practice?” Cardinal Arinze (CDWDS) replied “Negative… to not regulate posture rigidly in such a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free.”

Bishop’s Committee on the Liturgy Newsletter, July 2003

“During the sacred silence after the distribution of Holy Communion, they may either sit or kneel.”

General Instruction of the Roman Missal #43
 
I have to wonder…

blog.beliefnet.com/deaconsbench/2010/07/where-are-you-taking-jesus.html

In the Latin Rite…

Cardinal George asked "In many places, the faithful are accustomed to kneeling or sitting in personal prayer upon returning to their places after having individually received Holy Communion during Mass. Is it the intention of the Missale Romanum, editio typica tertia, to forbid this practice?” Cardinal Arinze (CDWDS) replied “Negative… to not regulate posture rigidly in such a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free.”

Bishop’s Committee on the Liturgy Newsletter, July 2003

“During the sacred silence after the distribution of Holy Communion, they may either sit or kneel.”

General Instruction of the Roman Missal #43
None of the documentation you cite regulates the Divine Liturgy in a Byzantine Ruthenian parish. End of story.
 
None of the documentation you cite regulates the Divine Liturgy in a Byzantine Ruthenian parish. End of story.
I understand. I was merely pointing out the Latin Rite - some have noted their Bishops saying they should stand. I find it interesting to hear of the differences between rites.
 
It’s my right to receive COT while standing in the situation I described. So while I did not show the arrogance so many others have shown in DEMANDING COT/kneeling **you can bet the ranch I will be assertive in receiving communion the way I choose to **so long as it’s allowed by the Church.
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I think this says it all. :rolleyes:
 
I would like to ask what to do in my situation… I deeply desire to kneel to receive Communion.

I am a Catholic convert from Pentecostalism and Anglicanism. I came out of a rather high-church Anglican parish where there was a Communion rail. We received the bread in the hand whilst kneeling, and the minister with the Chalice held it up to our mouth.

Then when I came to the Catholic Church, I was faced with the majority of churches, including my own parish, where there were no Communion rails. When I heard how they were largely removed and not used anymore I got reeeeeeally upset! 😦 But I went along with the crowd, standing to receive Communion (on the tongue). Nobody knelt for Communion. On Sundays in my parish, we receive only the Host, and on weekdays we receive both the Host and the Chalice. I have always longed to kneel, because it just seems to make it more reverent. When we kneel and wait for the priest/minister, we pause and can then reflect on the special moment before receiving Jesus. But I found when we receive standing, the special moment was performed in too much of a rush; there is not enough time to pause and reflect before receiving.

My dilemma is that I want to kneel for Communion with all my heart, but if I do so on Sundays, I could be a distraction and feel self-conscious, or hold up the queue. I could much better do it in weekday Masses when there are less people, but the problem there is that if I kneel for the Host, what about when I receive the Chalice? It would be funny to kneel for the Host and stand for the Chalice, or kneel twice when there are people standing behind you! The only way it could work, is if I just receive the Host alone. It is a sore point of contention for me that the churches don’t have Communion rails anymore. What is a traditional-hearted Catholic to do???

Dolores
Dolores, I sympathize so much with your dilemma. It is one that I share. You have already received several suggestions that I would have offered–try to find a parish where kneeling to receive Communion is more the norm. While many Churches have removed their Communion rails, not all have. Could you possibly explore other parishes in your area to find a Church where kneeling is the norm? I believe someone else mentioned in this thread that after they began to kneel, others began to follow along. Perhaps there are others in your Church who feel as you do but do not wish to be disruptive. I think the suggestion of waiting until later in the Communion line before presenting yourself is a very good one. Since you are a daily Communicant, if you presented yourself toward the end of the line your priest would quickly come to know your intention to kneel and would be prepared. It might be less disruptive that way. It would not surprise me at all to learn that once people saw you doing that, others would begin to follow along.

May God bless you in your desire to honor Him and show respect and courtesy to His people!
 
It’s my right to receive
Isn’t this the same “in your face” attitude pro-abortion Catholics take too, as long as the bishops allow them? :mad:

Holler and rofl all you want, but sorry, communion is not about assertions or politics.
 
I would like to ask what to do in my situation… I deeply desire to kneel to receive Communion.

I am a Catholic convert from Pentecostalism and Anglicanism. I came out of a rather high-church Anglican parish where there was a Communion rail. We received the bread in the hand whilst kneeling, and the minister with the Chalice held it up to our mouth.

Then when I came to the Catholic Church, I was faced with the majority of churches, including my own parish, where there were no Communion rails. When I heard how they were largely removed and not used anymore I got reeeeeeally upset! 😦 But I went along with the crowd, standing to receive Communion (on the tongue). Nobody knelt for Communion. On Sundays in my parish, we receive only the Host, and on weekdays we receive both the Host and the Chalice. I have always longed to kneel, because it just seems to make it more reverent. When we kneel and wait for the priest/minister, we pause and can then reflect on the special moment before receiving Jesus. But I found when we receive standing, the special moment was performed in too much of a rush; there is not enough time to pause and reflect before receiving.

My dilemma is that I want to kneel for Communion with all my heart, but if I do so on Sundays, I could be a distraction and feel self-conscious, or hold up the queue. I could much better do it in weekday Masses when there are less people, but the problem there is that if I kneel for the Host, what about when I receive the Chalice? It would be funny to kneel for the Host and stand for the Chalice, or kneel twice when there are people standing behind you! The only way it could work, is if I just receive the Host alone. It is a sore point of contention for me that the churches don’t have Communion rails anymore. What is a traditional-hearted Catholic to do???

Dolores
I kneel for Communion in my church even though there is no communion rail, and there are only about three others in my parish doing so. I usually hang a little back when the person ahead of me recieves, then move foward and kneel. This gives enough room that the person behind me will not run into my feet as I’m going to kneel. Don’t fear to receive kneeling, the Vatican document “Redemtionis Sacramentum” (from the Congregation for Divine Worship an the discipline of the Sacraments), guarentees that the priest cannot deny you communion for kneeling. Rome is with you on this one! The Holy Father distibutes Communion kneeling and on the tongue.
 
I kneel for Communion in my church even though there is no communion rail, and there are only about three others in my parish doing so. I usually hang a little back when the person ahead of me recieves, then move foward and kneel. This gives enough room that the person behind me will not run into my feet as I’m going to kneel. Don’t fear to receive kneeling, the Vatican document “Redemtionis Sacramentum” (from the Congregation for Divine Worship an the discipline of the Sacraments), guarentees that the priest cannot deny you communion for kneeling. Rome is with you on this one! The Holy Father distibutes Communion kneeling and on the tongue.
I think this is excellent advice. I hope this helps, Dolores. I second what Carl said: “Don’t fear to receive kneeling. Rome is with you on this one!”
 
Isn’t this the same “in your face” attitude pro-abortion Catholics take too, as long as the bishops allow them? :mad:

Holler and rofl all you want, but sorry, communion is not about assertions or politics.
but which bishop actually allows abortion
and i mean allow by rule of law, and not by matter of opinion

fact is, the Church asserts that people have the right to receive in a manner she has allowed. why would you consider it to be arrogant for someone to ask for something that is due to them?
 
sad
but it seems he isn’t teaching it. and that is my point. many bishops have personal opinions, sometimes more public than others. but that doesn’t mean they have change the teaching coming from them. yes, its sad that being who they are, they dare speak of such opinion aloud. but lets be glad that for now they haven’t dared make anything official yet
 
And even a Deacon is not a Eucharistic Minister. The Deacon cannot confect the Eucharist, only a priest or bishop can do that.

A Deacon is an ORDINARY Minister of Holy Communion, however.
Thank you for the correct information.
 
Yeah, I know what the “correct title” is, but “E.M.” is what we are all called informally, even by the priests, and is the term I used to save wear and tear on my two typing fingers.

E.M.H.C versus Eucharistic Minister is a better way to save wear and tear.

And yes, my “harsh” comment was aimed particularly at one particular responder, but all of the responses seemed to isolate and rather icily and condescendingly paint me as someone “who just fell off the turnip truck” or maybe someone “who really isn’t what he claims he is” and really “was too stupid to know what he was doing, and therefore shouldn’t be doing it.”
I believe that you were to sensitive. I didn’t see that in the respondes to you including the nasty one.

If this red-quoted high and mighty poster knows so much, and deems himself authoritatively fit to read me the riot act, why did this brilliant person repeatedly refer to us as an “EM” if our correct title is “Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion”? Mr/Ms Adrift, you certainly should have also corrected his/her titular incompetence as well as mine.
I wasn’t involved in that thread. If I had been, I would have. You don’t take criticism well do you? He really wasn’t directly addressing you. He was stating what he would do if he encountered the situation.

However, I do believe that I spelled and punctuated my responses properly…Good for you put a gold star on your card:p
 
I kneel for Communion in my church even though there is no communion rail, and there are only about three others in my parish doing so. I usually hang a little back when the person ahead of me recieves, then move foward and kneel. This gives enough room that the person behind me will not run into my feet as I’m going to kneel. Don’t fear to receive kneeling, the Vatican document “Redemtionis Sacramentum” (from the Congregation for Divine Worship an the discipline of the Sacraments), guarentees that the priest cannot deny you communion for kneeling. Rome is with you on this one! The Holy Father distibutes Communion kneeling and on the tongue.
I think this is excellent advice. I hope this helps, Dolores. I second what Carl said: “Don’t fear to receive kneeling. Rome is with you on this one!”
I too kneel before our Lord.
I was raised and Anglican and came to the Church at an F.S.S.P. parish. When I had to return to my ‘home’ parish I continued kneeling. I have had no problems with people tripping and I have had no comments about being ‘holier than thou’. My priest once took me to task over my choice, but this was due to a concern he had about my motives. He was really ‘doing his job,’ so to speak – looking out for my soul.

Unless you have found reasons (since your OP) not to kneel, I say go ahead!
I think our Church members (myself included) need to rethink about our dress and behaviour when we are in the physical presence of the God of the Universe.
 
Thanks to Miss Linda, Shin, Carl VDW, GwenL, ljubim, and all those who gave good suggestions, encouraged and helped me!

Unfortunately it is not possible for me to go to a TLM parish, as there aren’t any in my area. After the Motu Proprio in Sept 2007, I was so excited about it being incorporated in my archdiocese, but it was a great disappointment when I struggled to find even one TLM! I have limited ability to move around from parish to parish, as I rely on my wonderful (Protestant) parents for transport, and don’t want to put them out driving far to a church. I only usually visit other parishes if it is a special diocesan festival – or if my priest is away, I go to other local parishes for Mass.

I only went to two other parishes with altar rails; the one in the previous suburb I lived years before I converted, and where the seeds of my love for Catholicism were planted. I am still hoping to go down memory lane and visit that parish one day. The other one is also far away and is the biggest parish in the archdiocese, but they don’t use the altar rails for Communion (at least I don’t think so). All the other places I went to they weren’t any rails, sadly.

I will keep in mind the idea of waiting to go up at the end of the line, or keeping a gap between myself and the person behind me. It is a very uplifting and encouraging thought that I may be an example for others to imitate, because my parish is very casual and needs some liturgical pick-me-up’s! And I do agree: to worry about if I look holier-than-thou is fruitless. To be scared to be mistaken for a Pharisee is almost as harmful as being one. The Church needs courageous people who set the tone for awesome worship again! My main fear was more a concern that I would attract undue attention and be self-conscious.

My parish has a variable Communion distribution setup. On Sundays it is just under one kind, given by Father and two EMHC’s, and weekdays it is Father giving out the Hosts and an EMHC giving out the Chalice. But sometimes Father swaps with the EMHC and gives the Chalice whilst they give the Hosts. I don’t like this swapping of positions, but try to bear it. With this in mind, I thought of the following ideas to slowly incorporate the practice of kneeling for Communion…

On weekdays when Father gives out the Hosts, I could then begin my kneeling for Communion, and those days just receive under one kind. Then if the EMHC gives out the Hosts, I could stand and receive under both kinds. Later when I am brave enough to kneel on Sundays, it wouldn’t be a problem to just go to Father and receive from him. I don’t quite know if I can wait until the end of the line, though, because I sit in the second row from the front (and, as a sacristan, it is more convenient). If I had to wait until the end of any of the three lines, I would possibly be unable to get back past those kneeling for prayers after Communion. It was embarrassing in the past to get people kneeling to move for me to go past – and especially with a Host in my mouth, I couldn’t whisper “sorry” or smile too widely to them! 😃

Oh, and yes, I think it is a good idea to inform Father of the intent to kneel. I have spoken to him about it before, and he is quite happy to accommodate it. He said there was a woman in his previous parish that knelt for communion in Sunday Mass. Now it up to me…

God bless
Dolores
 
Oh, and yes, I think it is a good idea to inform Father of the intent to kneel. I have spoken to him about it before, and he is quite happy to accommodate it. He said there was a woman in his previous parish that knelt for communion in Sunday Mass. Now it up to me…
You are always free to kneel and receive on the tongue according to Cardinal Arinze.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ap1KL2D5ae4
 
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