Knights of Columbus and the SSPX

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YoungTradCath said:
There is no anti-KofC culture within traddie groups.
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Whew, that’s good to know! I guess the following “traddie” opinions don’t count, then:
  • “A nice concept. Catholic businessmen getting together to network, without the occultism of Freemasonry. But in recent decades they’ve ‘embraced’ their Masonic enemies as brothers and hold ecumenical meetings with them. Not good.”
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  • “I don’t think it’s too much to assume, guessing by the name, that they have a strongly pro-American-in-all-things streak. Like the John Birch society I’m getting the impression that America is placed over and above the Catholic Church there, and that probably accounts for the whiff of Masonry. Vatican II, after all, is nothing but the Americanized Masonic anti-church. America has always followed the Masonic program, more or less unwittingly.”
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  • “Another big problem with the Knights is there ecumenical meetings with Masons and cooperative efforts for charities. Compromises like those make the whole endevour futile.”
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  • “When the chips came down, the Knights went NO. And I think that they were in shape to take this wrong path because back when they had the chance to stand for the truth and fight the good fight, they turned their backs and left their comrades to be shredded by the enemy. Sin blinds, adding one layer on the other until one turns and repents and does whatever he can to set things right. In this blind state they were easy prey for the NO.”
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  • “They have ties to freemasonry. I suggest not having anything to do with the Knights of Columbus.”
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  • “I have always questioned The Knights of Columbus. Right now, they appear to be masons. I tried to research their origin and founder, but, I never saw any readings of any Pope blessing the group when founded. I would like to hear from other members here, if they have any knowledge or reading in this area. The Knights of Columbus has the logo or arms but if you give it a slight tilt, it is the same design of the Knights of Templar. I think I read some where that in the 13th century they found homosexuality at the top of that group and they were hung. I really wonder if Knights of Columbus were wrong from the start. They started in the late 1700’s (?) and that was when the secret societies of France were busy forming.”
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  • “They’re a bit secretive about their ties to it, but I have heard of several people who left because they saw Freemasonic items in their buildings. Even if they didn’t have ties to it, I’d recommend leaving anyway because they are full of modernists.”
 
MarkThompson said:
Whew, that’s good to know! I guess the following “traddie” opinions don’t count, then:
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Well, certainly I’ve met trads who think this way about the knights, but I’ve met about as many that are knights. No one here claimed to be speaking for everyone, just the average. I don’t think the knights are on the average trad’s radar but it’s a great organization, and I hope that’ll change.

Are you a knight? I’m a 3rd degree.
 
I doubt any would have councils even if it were allowed. I believe they have some issues with regard to religious liberty that is touted by the K of C. Being a third degree knight myself I think some of their concerns are legitimate, but the organization is for the most part very sound.
 
Rich_C said:
I think the KofC would be less likely to welcome the SSPX than the SSPX would be to welcome the KofC, but if the Society is regularized, there will be no grounds for objections.
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Certainly. The Knights of Columbus is open to all men who are practical Catholics, so if and when the SSPX submits to the authority of the Pope then there’ll be 500 more newly practical Catholics who can join the ranks of 2,000,000 strong Knights of Columbus who always were so.
 
MarkThompson said:
Whew, that’s good to know! I guess the following “traddie” opinions don’t count, then:
  • “A nice concept. Catholic businessmen getting together to network, without the occultism of Freemasonry. But in recent decades they’ve ‘embraced’ their Masonic enemies as brothers and hold ecumenical meetings with them. Not good.”
    .
  • “I don’t think it’s too much to assume, guessing by the name, that they have a strongly pro-American-in-all-things streak. Like the John Birch society I’m getting the impression that America is placed over and above the Catholic Church there, and that probably accounts for the whiff of Masonry. Vatican II, after all, is nothing but the Americanized Masonic anti-church. America has always followed the Masonic program, more or less unwittingly.”
    .
  • “Another big problem with the Knights is there ecumenical meetings with Masons and cooperative efforts for charities. Compromises like those make the whole endevour futile.”
    .
  • “When the chips came down, the Knights went NO. And I think that they were in shape to take this wrong path because back when they had the chance to stand for the truth and fight the good fight, they turned their backs and left their comrades to be shredded by the enemy. Sin blinds, adding one layer on the other until one turns and repents and does whatever he can to set things right. In this blind state they were easy prey for the NO.”
    .
  • “They have ties to freemasonry. I suggest not having anything to do with the Knights of Columbus.”
    .
  • “I have always questioned The Knights of Columbus. Right now, they appear to be masons. I tried to research their origin and founder, but, I never saw any readings of any Pope blessing the group when founded. I would like to hear from other members here, if they have any knowledge or reading in this area. The Knights of Columbus has the logo or arms but if you give it a slight tilt, it is the same design of the Knights of Templar. I think I read some where that in the 13th century they found homosexuality at the top of that group and they were hung. I really wonder if Knights of Columbus were wrong from the start. They started in the late 1700’s (?) and that was when the secret societies of France were busy forming.”
    .
  • “They’re a bit secretive about their ties to it, but I have heard of several people who left because they saw Freemasonic items in their buildings. Even if they didn’t have ties to it, I’d recommend leaving anyway because they are full of modernists.”
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You know absolutely NOTHING about the KofC. Take your drivel elsewhere.
 
Hound_Dog said:
You know absolutely NOTHING about the KofC. Take your drivel elsewhere.
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Mark sometimes has his tounge planted firmly in his cheek. I get the sense that his post has more to do with “Traddies” than it does KofC.

-Tim-
 
Rich_C said:
Are you a knight? I’m a 3rd degree.
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No, mostly because since I’ve moved around quite a bit in recent years it hasn’t made sense to get too connected in one place. It’s definitely something I’ve considered doing.
YoungTradCath said:
Ah, more of that trademark taunting cynicism.
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Yikes, what’s your problem? So there is a wellspring of anti-KofC sentiment in certain “traddie” circles, so what? You’d prefer to cover your ears and pretend that people of the sort I quoted don’t exist? I can guarantee that, in the exceedingly unlikely event of the SSPX’s regularization into the Church, there will be stiff resistance among a very loud cadre to every whiff of what will be seen as novusordofication, such as the introduction of KofC groups into their communities. Might as well be aware of it beforehand, don’t you think?
Hound_Dog said:
You know absolutely NOTHING about the KofC. Take your drivel elsewhere.
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I think you are confusing quoting an opinion with holding that opinion. 🙂
TimothyH said:
Mark sometimes has his tounge planted firmly in his cheek. I get the sense that his post has more to do with “Traddies” than it does KofC.
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Thanks, Tim, but in this case it is unfortunately not a joke – those are actual quotations of certain traditionalists’ views on the Knights of Columbus.
 
This is why this thread is a very bad idea.
^^^^ Here we have a poster who has misinterpreted the post he is quoting, which post brings up bad blood from other misinformed posters, and now the K of C, who really would like to simply do charitable works, is held up and slugged back and forth from one side to the other.
Sad.
 
MarkThompson said:
No, mostly because since I’ve moved around quite a bit in recent years it hasn’t made sense to get too connected in one place. It’s definitely something I’ve considered doing.

Yikes, what’s your problem? So there is a wellspring of anti-KofC sentiment in certain “traddie” circles, so what? You’d prefer to cover your ears and pretend that people of the sort I quoted don’t exist? I can guarantee that, in the exceedingly unlikely event of the SSPX’s regularization into the Church, there will be stiff resistance among a very loud cadre to every whiff of what will be seen as novusordofication, such as the introduction of KofC groups into their communities. Might as well be aware of it beforehand, don’t you think?

I think you are confusing quoting an opinion with holding that opinion. 🙂

Thanks, Tim, but in this case it is unfortunately not a joke – those are actual quotations of certain traditionalists’ views on the Knights of Columbus.
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If I took that quote as your opinion when it is not then I apologize.🙂
 
clem456 said:
This is why this thread is a very bad idea.
^^^^ Here we have a poster who has misinterpreted the post he is quoting, which post brings up bad blood from other misinformed posters, and now the K of C, who really would like to simply do charitable works, is held up and slugged back and forth from one side to the other.
Sad.
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National Catholic Reporter used to do that, but on purpose.

They would put up a headline containing something very benign like “Knights of Columbus” or “Cloistered Nuns”, and mix it with one or two keywords or prhases designed to incite controversy and argument, like “Senate Democrats” or “Abortion.” They would then fabricate an article which somehow managed to mix these completely unrelated themes, often dragging in some 22 year old professor from the University of Antarctica to offer meaningful analysis.

***Cloistered Nuns Question Senate Democrat Stance on Abortion

Knights of Columbus Shunned by Sedevanticist SSPX Supporters on Catholic Answers

Missiouri Cycling Club Protests Pope’s Teaching on Contraception***

The actual article might or might not have anything to do with the headline, but as long as there were hundreds of posts by people calling each other idiots and therefor revenue generating traffic at the NCR webiste, it was all fair game. Mixing any subject, such as deep space exploration or the National Football League, with the words “Priest” and “Sex Abuse”, and you have the perfect storm.

I’m not saying that big feet did this on purpose. I’m sure he is just interested in traditionalism and would like to know if trad parishes also have KofC, but the effect certainly is the same. As soon as I saw SSPX and KofC together in the title, it immediately brought National Catholic Reporter to mind and I said, “Uh oh, this is gonna be a slug-fest.”
Stylites said:
Certainly. The Knights of Columbus is open to all men who are practical Catholics, so if and when the SSPX submits to the authority of the Pope then there’ll be 500 more newly practical Catholics who can join the ranks of 2,000,000 strong Knights of Columbus who always were so.
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  1. Sublime. Yet again. 😃
-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
I’m not saying that big feet did this on purpose. I’m sure he is just interested in traditionalism and would like to know if trad parishes also have KofC, but the effect certainly is the same. As soon as I saw SSPX and KofC together in the title, it immediately brought National Catholic Reporter to mind and I said, “Uh oh, this is gonna be a slug-fest.”
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If you leave out posts saying “this will be a terrible thread,” “I knew this would be a terrible thread,” and “let me tell you all the terrible things I’ve read on trad blogs” it’s still a constructive, friendly discussion.

Just sayin’,
 
TimothyH said:
National Catholic Reporter used to do that, but on purpose.

They would put up a headline containing something very benign like “Knights of Columbus” or “Cloistered Nuns”, and mix it with one or two keywords or prhases designed to incite controversy and argument, like “Senate Democrats” or “Abortion.” They would then fabricate an article which somehow managed to mix these completely unrelated themes, often dragging in some 22 year old professor from the University of Antarctica to offer meaningful analysis.

***Cloistered Nuns Question Senate Democrat Stance on Abortion

Knights of Columbus Shunned by Sedevanticist SSPX Supporters on Catholic Answers

Missiouri Cycling Club Protests Pope’s Teaching on Contraception***

The actual article might or might not have anything to do with the headline, but as long as there were hundreds of posts by people calling each other idiots and therefor revenue generating traffic at the NCR webiste, it was all fair game. Mixing any subject, such as deep space exploration or the National Football League, with the words “Priest” and “Sex Abuse”, and you have the perfect storm.

I’m not saying that big feet did this on purpose. I’m sure he is just interested in traditionalism and would like to know if trad parishes also have KofC, but the effect certainly is the same. As soon as I saw SSPX and KofC together in the title, it immediately brought National Catholic Reporter to mind and I said, “Uh oh, this is gonna be a slug-fest.”
  1. Sublime. Yet again. 😃
-Tim-
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Thanks

PAX
 
Rich_C said:
Really? I had no idea that each council didn’t need an official chaplain. In that case, I guess an SSPX chapel could be involved since the laity aren’t member of the priestly society, and are presumably Catholics in good standing.
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Each council does need a chaplain, but it doesn’t have to be the pastor of the council’s members - any willing Catholic cleric in good standing could serve in the role. As the council is its own separate legal entity from it host parish, the SSPX chapel itself would not be directly involved in the council.

Lay attendees of the chapel would be free to apply for membership to any council (pending acceptance by its membership committee), or petition the national Knights to form their own council (pending acceptance of the petition). However, as an SSPX cleric could not be the chaplain, this is probably unlikely.
 
MarkThompson said:
Thanks, Tim, but in this case it is unfortunately not a joke – those are actual quotations of certain traditionalists’ views on the Knights of Columbus.
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Are you serious? I’m going to be blunt here and I don’t really care, some of those opinions are stupid, misinformed, and downright wrong. No just incorrect, but laughably incorrect.

Especially number 6, who seems to lack knowledge on the Knights (founded by Ven. Fr. Michael J. Mcgivney in the 19th century, that’s pretty public knowledge), but seems to be woefully wrong in knowledge about the Knights Templar (who were wrongly suppressed under pressure from the French King because he owed them lots of money. The allegations were all made up). I’m going to wonder out loud if this person gets their history from Dan Brown, because his knowledge is that bad.
 
Here I go wishing there were a female equivalent of the Knights again. Aside from doing work for the the Church and Catholicism, maybe these ladies would wear hats with a single giant feather on top, a black ruffled tops with long, red skirts. They would wear buckled Mary Janes, and you would hear the clickety-clack of their heels when they hosted functions.

They would have all sorts of cool secret rituals too.

:knight2:
 
TrueLight said:
Here I go wishing there were a female equivalent of the Knights again. Aside from doing work for the the Church and Catholicism, maybe these ladies would wear hats with a single giant feather on top, a black ruffled tops with long, red skirts. They would wear buckled Mary Janes, and you would hear the clickety-clack of their heels when they hosted functions.

They would have all sorts of cool secret rituals too.

:knight2:
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I’m told there’s such a thing as “Columbiettes,” but I’ve never looked it up.
 
curlycool89 said:
Are you serious? I’m going to be blunt here and I don’t really care, some of those opinions are stupid, misinformed, and downright wrong. No just incorrect, but laughably incorrect.

Especially number 6, who seems to lack knowledge on the Knights (founded by Ven. Fr. Michael J. Mcgivney in the 19th century, that’s pretty public knowledge), but seems to be woefully wrong in knowledge about the Knights Templar (who were wrongly suppressed under pressure from the French King because he owed them lots of money. The allegations were all made up). I’m going to wonder out loud if this person gets their history from Dan Brown, because his knowledge is that bad.
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I really hate to say this, because I don’t like to talk bad about traditional Catholics.
But… some of them really are ignorant and proud of it.
 
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