Knights of Columbus and the SSPX

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Stylites said:
The problem is there is no such thing as an “SSPX parish”. An applicant would probably be referred to their local council, usually attached to a diocene parish, where all the sacraments are valid and licit. Someone who gets married or confesses at an SSPX chapel would not be a practical Catholic.
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That scenario seems likely, given the circumstances.

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For the regularization of the Society.
 
“What are the views of the Traditionalists here on the Knights of Coloumbus? Good, “orthodox” orginization, or not?”

I would hesitate to present myself as spokesperson for all traditionalists, but I think that this experience might help answer your question.
I assisted at mass this spring at my FSSP parish in Seattle. We were so delighted to have our our Archbishop Sartain with us that night. Our parish website has an article about the mass at
northamericanmartyrs.org/
There is a photo link on the page and if you click on it you will see that the Knights of Columbus assisted as well.
michaelcurtisphotography.com/p900780416
I hope this is helpful. May God bless us all!
jeannetherese
 
JaMc said:
O.K., if we want to get hung up on words, whatever you call someone who goes to Mass in one of these places: sspx.org/chapels.htm Sunday morning.
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It is not a matter of being “hung up on words.” The poster made an excellent point, which was there are no SSPX parishes, and that SSPX celebrations of the sacraments of matrimony and confession are invalid, due to their lack of jurisdiction. Men who receive these invalid sacraments could not be considered “practical Catholics” as required by the K of C for membership.
 
Chatter163 said:
It is not a matter of being “hung up on words.” The poster made an excellent point, which was there are no SSPX parishes, and that SSPX celebrations of the sacraments of matrimony and confession are invalid, due to their lack of jurisdiction. Men who receive these invalid sacraments could not be considered “practical Catholics” as required by the K of C for membership.
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I suppose there is some merit to that argument. It seems to me, there are several different “categories” of SSPX Mass attendees (can we agree on that term?): 1. Their priests, who are illicitly offering sacraments, despite being suspended, would probably be the least likely to qualify as Knights, since they are knowingly acting contrary to the directives of the Church; 2. Those married by, or who confess to, SSPX Priests - there’s an argument that they may not be “practical catholics,” but I would say that depends on whether they know about the status of these particular sacraments. And would it make them non-practical Catholics, or simply in a state of mortal sin at the moment? However, the big question is, what about the third category: Married prior to attending SSPX Masses, confess to any available priest (SSPX or otherwise), but regularly attends SSPX Mass on Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation?

I still say it’s a good question for the Supreme Advocate.
 
JaMc said:
I suppose there is some merit to that argument. It seems to me, there are several different “categories” of SSPX Mass attendees (can we agree on that term?): 1. Their priests, who are illicitly offering sacraments, despite being suspended, would probably be the least likely to qualify as Knights, since they are knowingly acting contrary to the directives of the Church; 2. Those married by, or who confess to, SSPX Priests - there’s an argument that they may not be “practical catholics,” but I would say that depends on whether they know about the status of these particular sacraments. And would it make them non-practical Catholics, or simply in a state of mortal sin at the moment? However, the big question is, what about the third category: Married prior to attending SSPX Masses, confess to any available priest (SSPX or otherwise), but regularly attends SSPX Mass on Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation?

I still say it’s a good question for the Supreme Advocate.
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Well put.
 
JaMc said:
I suppose there is some merit to that argument. It seems to me, there are several different “categories” of SSPX Mass attendees (can we agree on that term?): 1. Their priests, who are illicitly offering sacraments, despite being suspended, would probably be the least likely to qualify as Knights, since they are knowingly acting contrary to the directives of the Church; 2. Those married by, or who confess to, SSPX Priests - there’s an argument that they may not be “practical catholics,” but I would say that depends on whether they know about the status of these particular sacraments. And would it make them non-practical Catholics, or simply in a state of mortal sin at the moment? However, the big question is, what about the third category: Married prior to attending SSPX Masses, confess to any available priest (SSPX or otherwise), but regularly attends SSPX Mass on Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation?

I still say it’s a good question for the Supreme Advocate.
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I cannot see how any Catholic could attend, beyond an initial visit or two, SSPX chapels and NOT know that they are not in good standing in the Church. Cretainly anyone who attends even occasionally should be aware of the SSPX’s status. It is difficult to posit a “head in the sand” defense. Certainly a man seeking entry into the K of C should be aware of this, and would be made aware of this, when his parochial membership is asked.
 
FWIW, we have a KofC council in our FSSP parish, and we will be enrolling a new member this month who has ties to the SSPX. I doubt this answers the OP’s question, but it shows that there are some trads who are more supportive of the Knights than what some people on this thread would lead you to believe.
 
Chatter163 said:
I cannot see how any Catholic could attend, beyond an initial visit or two, SSPX chapels and NOT know that they are not in good standing in the Church. Cretainly anyone who attends even occasionally should be aware of the SSPX’s status. It is difficult to posit a “head in the sand” defense. Certainly a man seeking entry into the K of C should be aware of this, and would be made aware of this, when his parochial membership is asked.
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I am trying to see it the way the Church and the KofC see it, and I think they would disagree with you in many (not all) circumstances.

Ecclesia Dei has states that although it doesn’t recommend going to Mass at SSPX chapels, they do fulfill the Sunday obligation, and furthermore, it is not a sin when the intention is devotion to the Missal of 1962, only when the intention is to separate oneself from the Church.

So I think the problem takes care of itself. A Catholic who just devotes himself to the EF Mass but wants to be a good Catholic according to the law of the Church can register at a parish and make his confessions there, while assisting at Mass at the SSPX chapel. By all definitions he should be eligible.

A Catholic who assists at the SSPX with the intention of separating himself from his local ordinary naturally won’t have anything to do with a local parish and will therefore probably be ruled ineligible.
 
Rich_C said:
I am trying to see it the way the Church and the KofC see it, and I think they would disagree with you in many (not all) circumstances.

Ecclesia Dei has states that although it doesn’t recommend going to Mass at SSPX chapels, they do fulfill the Sunday obligation, and furthermore, it is not a sin when the intention is devotion to the Missal of 1962, only when the intention is to separate oneself from the Church.

So I think the problem takes care of itself. A Catholic who just devotes himself to the EF Mass but wants to be a good Catholic according to the law of the Church can register at a parish and make his confessions there, while assisting at Mass at the SSPX chapel. By all definitions he should be eligible.
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Would the fact that all those Confessions are invalid play a role with things?
 
Rich_C said:
I am trying to see it the way the Church and the KofC see it, and I think they would disagree with you in many (not all) circumstances.

Ecclesia Dei has states that although it doesn’t recommend going to Mass at SSPX chapels, they do fulfill the Sunday obligation, and furthermore, it is not a sin when the intention is devotion to the Missal of 1962, only when the intention is to separate oneself from the Church.

So I think the problem takes care of itself. A Catholic who just devotes himself to the EF Mass but wants to be a good Catholic according to the law of the Church can register at a parish and make his confessions there, while assisting at Mass at the SSPX chapel. By all definitions he should be eligible.

A Catholic who assists at the SSPX with the intention of separating himself from his local ordinary naturally won’t have anything to do with a local parish and will therefore probably be ruled ineligible.
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As a 4th degree Knight who is a member of a council at an FSSP parish, and completely understands the offense to conscience that some liturgies can create, I can assure you that the question of parish membership would come up. And, as stated, going to confession at SSPX chapels is an invalid attempt.
 
Melchior said:
Would the fact that all those Confessions are invalid play a role with things?
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I believe you misread Rich C’s point. He is speaking about going to confession at a diocesan parish, while going to Sunday Mass at an SSPX chapel. Such an individual would be a Catholic in good standing and allowed to join the Knights.
 
As a 34 year 3rd degree K of C, my advice is be a practical Catholic, and join the K of C and be active in the Church’s mission with other like-minded Catholic men. The rest is all pointless speculation.
 
runningdude said:
I believe you misread Rich C’s point. He is speaking about going to confession at a diocesan parish, while going to Sunday Mass at an SSPX chapel. Such an individual would be a Catholic in good standing and allowed to join the Knights.
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Yeah, they both read “parish” to mean SSPX chapel, when of course it can’t mean that.
 
runningdude said:
I believe you misread Rich C’s point. He is speaking about going to confession at a diocesan parish, while going to Sunday Mass at an SSPX chapel. Such an individual would be a Catholic in good standing and allowed to join the Knights.
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I certainly did misread it. My bad, Rich!!
 
clem456 said:
As a 34 year 3rd degree K of C, my advice is be a practical Catholic, and join the K of C and be active in the Church’s mission with other like-minded Catholic men. The rest is all pointless speculation.
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Young man, I’ll have you know that the members of CAF thrive on pointless speculation. It is our very raison d’être.

Why, if it weren’t for pointless speculation, we would all be forced to spend our time reading the Bible or jogging or learning a foreign language or some such nonsense like that.

-Tim-
 
What are these things ??? FSSP or SSPX ???

One point I want to make crystal clear is that the Knights of Columbus are 100% Catholic, approved by the Pope and the Catholic Church, we have absolutely ZERO affiliation with the Free Mason.

ALL members have to practical Catholics, there can be no dissenters, heretics, modernists, pro-choice, anti-Catholic or anti clergy anything.

I know one of the prior post (#22 or 23 by Mark Thompson was some quote from someone else) but it was totally misleading and 100% not true.

There are over 25,000 Catholic priests in the KofC and hundreds of bishops and a bunch of cardinals. At some point there may some day be a KC member Pope, God willing.

The Supreme Knight, visits and consults with the Pope regularly and the KC donates 5 million dolllars a year for the Popes personal charities.

We have nearly 2 million members world wide and if you look in your parishes, we are members of the parish councils, school boards, many of us are ushers, Eucharistic minsiters and members of the choir, etc.

I have no idea what FSSP or SSPX are and IF as I suspect they are not in full communion with the Holy See, then Knights can NOT become affliated with these organizations because that would be in direct violation of our rules, as not to bring scandal to our order. BTW I am a fourth degree member (since 1995), Past Grand Knight and soon to be District Deputy in the Knights of Columbus.
 
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