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Irishmom2
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So if you look at the photo, there is a group of people walking behind the Knights. Next time, it will look like one big group of people wearing berets.
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Tantum_ergo
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Well my son is 34. Heâs of the video game generation. Quite frankly, a lot of young men wouldnât have any problem seeing themselves as âAthos, Porthos, Aramis, and DâArtagnanâ. Or in a pinch, Antoine DâCoolette
.In a world where young men (and women) dress as anything from vampires to wanna-be superheroes (cape and all), the traditional uniform is nothing to blink at.
The new outfit though, as I mentioned elsewhere, and others have mentioned here, looks like a middle school Catholic schoolboyâs uniform.
Actually it looks similar to an outfit my nearly 60 year old brother wore some 50 years ago when he was a member of the Young Marinesâemphasis on young as they ranged in age from 9 to 15 (even to the beret).
I donât really understand why Catholics, with their incredible heritage embracing 2000 years of history, and every country in the world, seem to be on the fast track to making everything about their faithâfrom its clothing to its books to its liturgy to its catechesisâinto bland, banal, childish pablum.
As others over the years have noted, you donât get people âon fireâ for something that is so generic and wishy-washy and politically correct. You get people on fire for things that demand time and effort and which reflect that in everything from dress to customs to teachings.
One reason that Islam has become so popular in the world, particularly with young men, is that it is strikingly âdifferentâ. A person who is practicing that faith stands out; he doesnât blend into the background. He doesnât mince and mumble and seem halfway ashamed of his faith and heritage, he proudly proclaims his prayers, makes his fasts, does all the actual reading and praying and mosque attendance. . .while the Catholic Church has spent the last 60 years reducing fasting requirements, âdumbing downâ CCD, making âhipâ Bibles, and seeing its church pews with fewer and fewer and fewer people, especially men.
If the Islam iman told the men at the local mosque to show up wearing a 6th century outfit, including turban, wide sashes, ceremonial swords, etc., theyâd do it in a heartbeat, and nobody would go around whining and complaining that it looked too âfancyâ or âtoo oldfashionedâ and why couldnât they just wear some âregular stuffâ instead.
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Lost_Sheep
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Yeah. I think it looks like something that veterans of the French Foreign Legion would wear to a convention.They need to modernize, so they are going with a **beret? **
Donât do it! Keep the cape, change the hat somehow.
They look like a military reunion when they have the berets on.
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pianistclare
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I canât help but think of the notion that if sisters and nuns didnât wear habits more people would join.
We all see how THAT turned out.
In fact, the convents that are seeing a surge in inquirers are the ones wearing traditional habits.
Not that the Knights are in the same league, I mean, no one feels âcalledâ to be a Knight,
but the premise is the same. Some men are not put off by the feathers. They rather like the get-up. I know a bunch of Knights in various councilsâŚthe ones who are really successful are the ones whose membership do not have a long commute. Time with family is precious to them, and theyâre tired after a long day and a 90 minute commute. The last thing they want to do is go to a mid-week evening meeting. Much less have time to volunteer around the parish.
Our communities are fractured. In so many ways. The clothing has little to do with it.
It wonât attack more men to the Knights, but it may prompt more 3rd degrees to move on up.
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Michael_Mayo
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So the traditional uniform is an opportunity to indulge in fantasy? Changing or updating iit would be making it bland, banal, childish pablum?Well my son is 34. Heâs of the video game generation. Quite frankly, a lot of young men wouldnât have any problem seeing themselves as âAthos, Porthos, Aramis, and DâArtagnanâ. Or in a pinch, Antoine DâCoolette
In a world where young men (and women) dress as anything from vampires to wanna-be superheroes (cape and all), the traditional uniform is nothing to blink at.
The new outfit though, as I mentioned elsewhere, and others have mentioned here, looks like a middle school Catholic schoolboyâs uniform.
Actually it looks similar to an outfit my nearly 60 year old brother wore some 50 years ago when he was a member of the Young Marinesâemphasis on young as they ranged in age from 9 to 15 (even to the beret).
I donât really understand why Catholics, with their incredible heritage embracing 2000 years of history, and every country in the world, seem to be on the fast track to making everything about their faithâfrom its clothing to its books to its liturgy to its catechesisâinto bland, banal, childish pablum.
As others over the years have noted, you donât get people âon fireâ for something that is so generic and wishy-washy and politically correct. You get people on fire for things that demand time and effort and which reflect that in everything from dress to customs to teachings.
One reason that Islam has become so popular in the world, particularly with young men, is that it is strikingly âdifferentâ. A person who is practicing that faith stands out; he doesnât blend into the background. He doesnât mince and mumble and seem halfway ashamed of his faith and heritage, he proudly proclaims his prayers, makes his fasts, does all the actual reading and praying and mosque attendance. . .while the Catholic Church has spent the last 60 years reducing fasting requirements, âdumbing downâ CCD, making âhipâ Bibles, and seeing its church pews with fewer and fewer and fewer people, especially men.
If the Islam iman told the men at the local mosque to show up wearing a 6th century outfit, including turban, wide sashes, ceremonial swords, etc., theyâd do it in a heartbeat, and nobody would go around whining and complaining that it looked too âfancyâ or âtoo oldfashionedâ and why couldnât they just wear some âregular stuffâ instead.
Fewer than 18% of Knights join the Fourth Degree. Why do you suppose that is?
You make an interesting point though about standing out. I dont think fluffy hat is the way to go. When I came into the knights I thought it should have been more difficult. Like maybe study a little for a test. Fast the night before and or spend at least a holy hour by the tabernacle. I willl not divulge the actual exemplification because. I swore I would not.
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Tantum_ergo
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Not exactly. What I was addressing was the idea that young men would find the traditional uniform âtoo strangeâ, and saying that no, actually, it is certainly no stranger than attire that is considered perfectly acceptable, and second that the new attire IS bland and child-like (I am only one of many who noted the resemblance to a prep school attire.So the traditional uniform is an opportunity to indulge in fantasy? Changing or updating iit would be making it bland, banal, childish pablum?
Fewer than 18% of Knights join the Fourth Degree. Why do you suppose that is?
You make an interesting point though about standing out. I dont think fluffy hat is the way to go. When I came into the knights I thought it should have been more difficult. Like maybe study a little for a test. Fast the night before and or spend at least a holy hour by the tabernacle. I willl not divulge the actual exemplification because. I swore I would not.
Youâre probably a little young, but until the mid 1960s, hats, including âfluffyâ, were manly attire indeed. My own father, born in 1900, wore a fedora to work when I was young. . .a fedora with feather through the brim, no less. . .his colleagues wore similar attire. My mother likewise had all kinds of hats, from the pillbox to the boater to the cloche, and my older sister and I had hats to match our Easter dresses well into the late 1960s.
My grandfather was a 4th degree and, since he had served as a lieutenant in the German army before coming to the U.S. in 1910, he was quite the âmanly manâ himself. I really donât think the average man of 2017 is all that different, inside, from the men of 100 or 50 years ago.
Mind you, I am not âanti-ballcapâ (that headgear being pretty much all that sits on a manâs, or a womanâs, head nowadays); I have several, but I also have several other different hats to wear as the mood strikes me.
Iâd love to see men being more adventurous and daring. Bring back the derby, the fedora, the shako, the ghillie, the stovepipe, the homburg, the bowler, the porkpie. . .
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Michael_Mayo
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A few years ago my sister got me a Bear Bryant hounds tooth hat. Then I got a couple more styles and I pretty much look like an old man. Of course I am one at 62.:crutches:
I dont think the Knight need hats at all. Men are not supposed to wear them in church anyway. A blazer is fine. No need to go flamboyant.
So our military men in berets look prep school? Or is it the blazer? Like the Masters Golf Tournament.
I dont think the Knight need hats at all. Men are not supposed to wear them in church anyway. A blazer is fine. No need to go flamboyant.
So our military men in berets look prep school? Or is it the blazer? Like the Masters Golf Tournament.
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Tantum_ergo
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Youâre only a year older than Iâll be in a couple of weeks, and Iâm as young and beautiful as I never. . .I mean EVER. . .was.
They do take off the hats in Church during Mass you know.
Our military men in berets are usually wearing camo, not blazers.
Iâm pretty sure the specific hat and the wearing thereof has a good reason behind it, though. Am I right? Even if you donât agree in âmodern timesâ, it does have a reason, itâs not just a whim or a desire to look like Errol Flynn. . .or Gene Kelly, LOL. (TMC is running The Three Musketeers right now).
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Michael_Mayo
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It is supposed to be naval military in honor of Christopher Columbus.
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pianistclare
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The guys in the 2 Chapters I work with on Liturgical events have not even heard about it.
No clue.
No clue.
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Prince_Ire
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Only First Order, so no.
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Michael_Mayo
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It doesnât attract you to move on?
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tee_eff_em
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Good news! No Fourth Degree member is required to buy nor wear a fluffy hat â It is completely voluntary. I Would be happy to send your husband a Form-4 and sponsor him into his local Assembly.
(Actually, if he joins now, he *might *be required to buy the blazer and beret. (Yuck) Requirements are unclear as yet.)
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commenter
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To clarifyâŚGood news! No Fourth Degree member is required to buy nor wear a fluffy hat â It is completely voluntary. I Would be happy to send your husband a Form-4 and sponsor him into his local Assembly.
(Actually, if he joins now, he *might *be required to buy the blazer and beret. (Yuck) Requirements are unclear as yet.)
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Any knight who has made his 4th degree, and is a member of an Assembly in good standing, may choose to join the Color Corps. In my Assembly the officer in charge of the Assembly (Faithful Navigator) appoints the head of the Color Corps. But many 4th degree members, including myself, have never joined the Color Corps. So we never wear any âspecialâ clothing at all. Only those brother Sir Knights who chose to belong to the Color Corps wear this. But I am still a member of the Assembly, still 4th degree.
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John_Lazarus
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Joe who?
They look like Legionnaires to me.
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pianistclare
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Heâs only a First degree. He only moved here form Ireland 6 yrs ago.Good news! No Fourth Degree member is required to buy nor wear a fluffy hat â It is completely voluntary. I Would be happy to send your husband a Form-4 and sponsor him into his local Assembly.
(Actually, if he joins now, he *might *be required to buy the blazer and beret. (Yuck) Requirements are unclear as yet.)
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I donât think they let you skip degrees, LOL
Thank you Tee!
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pianistclare
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Sorry, I thought everyone had heard me talk about him in the past.
Tâis the Irishman from the old sod that married this pianist.
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pianistclare
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Thanks for that clarification. Here I was thinking there were all kinds of 3rd degrees avoiding the Color Guard.
The children around here think theyâre the shizznit.
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tee_eff_em
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Well, Congratulations to the Groom, :tiphat:Sorry, I thought everyone had heard me talk about him in the past.
Tâis the Irishman from the old sod that married this pianist.
And Very Best Wishes to the Bride! :flowers:
(And I would still encourage Joe to advance to at least the 3rd Degree, and the Fourth if he so chooses)
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pianistclare
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I know right? Great way to meet the other guys in the parish. PLus, it would be good fro me to have a bigger connection to the guys who do the heavy lifting, LOL
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