Komen Admits Planned Parenthood Grants Don’t Get Women Mammograms

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Komen Admits Planned Parenthood Grants Don’t Get Women Mammograms
In new emails Susan G. Komen for the Cure is sending to people complaining about their grants to the Planned Parenthood abortion business, officials claim the grants are given to help women obtain breast cancer screenings. Yet, Komen also admits Planned Parenthood doesn’t do mammograms.

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Last year, Komen spokesman John Hammarley confirmed 20 of Komen’s 122 affiliates have made donations to Planned Parenthood and, in 2009, those contributions totaled $731,303. He also confirmed Komen affiliates contributed about $3.3 million to the abortion business from 2004-2009.

In a new form letter to one pro-life person who complained about the grants, obtained by LifeNews.com, Komen explains the donations, but says 19 affiliates have donated.
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Not to derail thread but since you brought up PP, they came out recently saying they only do 3% of America’s abortions, so - defunding them wouldn’t lower the amount of abortions procured by a substantial amount…

Then, some Senator (Kyles?) said something to the effect of ‘with all this fuss over PP, you’d think they performed 90% of them’.

Is this factual? Or spin? I apologize my cousin is very pro-choice and I’ve been meaning to ask someone if they had any info.
 
Charlotte408 said:
Not to derail thread but since you brought up PP, they came out recently saying they only do 3% of America’s abortions, so - defunding them wouldn’t lower the amount of abortions procured by a substantial amount…

Then, some Senator (Kyles?) said something to the effect of ‘with all this fuss over PP, you’d think they performed 90% of them’.

Is this factual? Or spin? I apologize my cousin is very pro-choice and I’ve been meaning to ask someone if they had any info.
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I believe they claim that only 3% of their services are used for abortion. Not that they only perform 3% of abortions in the US. They are the largest provider of abortion in the US. I’ll do some research and get back to you.
 
smichhertz said:
I believe they claim that only 3% of their services are used for abortion. Not that they only perform 3% of abortions in the US. They are the largest provider of abortion in the US. I’ll do some research and get back to you.
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I appreciate very much thank you.
 
Hey, Charlotte, I know that thanks to Sen. Kyl’s idiotic comments everything has gone a bit fuzzy on the facts about Planned Parenthood’s abortion business, and that’s understandable (especially because PP desperately wants to keep the facts fuzzy). But you’ve got those facts quite radically wrong.

Planned Parenthood’s claim was not that it only performs 3% of American abortions. In fact, Planned Parenthood’s own annual report shows that it performs about 350,000 abortions per year, which is about one-third (30%) of American annual abortions overall.

Planned Parenthood was claiming that only 3% of the services it provides are abortions, which is a very different claim. It’s probably a distortion (and a significant one!), because they double-count some services and deliberately undercount abortion services (assuming you trust Abby Johnson’s account). Still, even if we take the “3% of total services” figure as accurate, we know – again from PP’s annual report – that more than 97% of its services to pregnant women are abortion. Had Sen. Kyl simply added that one word, “pregnant”, to his statement, it would have been completely accurate.

Interestingly, while PP shills this “3% of overall services” number, we know – again from its own annual report – that PP makes nearly 40% of its profit from abortion.

And, for the record, even if PP only killed one unborn child per year, I would be outraged that my government is providing money that allows them to do that. Murder is not a matter of degree. One hundred fifty years ago last week, we started a Civil War that turned out to be about a similarly black-and-white issue.

(Pun intended.)

Best of luck with your pro-choicer friend! Oh, and the most recent PP quarterly report is here: plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf The most recent annual report is here: plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PPFA_Annual_Report_08-09-FINAL-12-10-10.pdf

EDIT: A little bit more background on Sen. Kyl’s statement: politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/08/jon-kyl/jon-kyl-says-abortion-services-are-well-over-90-pe/
 
Planned Parenthood doesn’t perform Mammograms, because they are an Abortion Provider.

They will set you up for an abortion-later, by giving you birth control pills-the lowest dose only, or condoms-with the highest failure rate available (according to Consumer Reports).

Why?

Because it is not health care, it is an Abortion Provider.

One need only know the History of Planned Parenthood and its founder, Margaret Sanger to see what it is really about.

Abortion.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn

PS Even for pap smears and breast exams-go somewhere where there is a Doctor! If you go to PP, the only day a doctor is there-is on Abortion Day!

You deserve better. Harry Reid’s wife, daughters and granddaughters deserve better.

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I am curious. If they admit their grants don’t go towards mammograms just what is the purpose of the grants? Maybe because about 200,000 of the abortions Planned Parenthood performs per year are killing women the Susan Koman foundation believes you can cut down on breast cancer by limiting the number of women born every year?
 
A very misleading title. The article says that when a mammogram is indicated, PP sends the woman to a facility that performs the mammogram and PP pays for the mammogram with the grant funds. So I can’t see how its accurate to say that the grants “don’t get women mammograms” – they do. I don’t see what difference it makes that PP sends the patient out to lab or other facility for the actual procedure – many doctors do the same. But the article admits that the grants pay for the mammogram, so the title is contradicted by the article.
 
TMC said:
A very misleading title. The article says that when a mammogram is indicated, PP sends the woman to a facility that performs the mammogram and PP pays for the mammogram with the grant funds. So I can’t see how its accurate to say that the grants “don’t get women mammograms” – they do. I don’t see what difference it makes that PP sends the patient out to lab or other facility for the actual procedure – many doctors do the same. But the article admits that the grants pay for the mammogram, so the title is contradicted by the article.
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Catholics cannot support Susan G. Komen for the Cure-as they support Planned Parenthood.

How many women do you think who go to PP-are of the age to have mammograms?

Do you even know what age women start to have mammograms?

We, who are of the age to receive them-do not go to Planned Parenthood-for anything.

Young, fertile women don’t get mammograms. If they have a problem, they need to see a doctor, not an Abortion Clinic.

Trust me—I’ve been out there, on the other side of the fence. Those girls who tell me they’re just going in for health care-I ask them to bring their mothers, and go for health care together.

They never do.

Why? Because it is an Abortion Provider.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
estesbob said:
I am curious. If they admit their grants don’t go towards mammograms just what is the purpose of the grants? Maybe because about 200,000 of the abortions Planned Parenthood performs per year are killing women the Susan Koman foundation believes you can cut down on breast cancer by limiting the number of women born every year?
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Yeah. What’s wrong with this picture?

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
Charlotte408 said:
Not to derail thread but since you brought up PP, they came out recently saying they only do 3% of America’s abortions, so - defunding them wouldn’t lower the amount of abortions procured by a substantial amount…

Then, some Senator (Kyles?) said something to the effect of ‘with all this fuss over PP, you’d think they performed 90% of them’.

Is this factual? Or spin? I apologize my cousin is very pro-choice and I’ve been meaning to ask someone if they had any info.
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The 3% Planned Parenthood services abortions was refuted by Abby Johnson, former director of a Planned Parenthood:

And while Planned Parenthood says abortions make up just 3 percent of its services, I found they used an sleight of hand, unbundling family planning services so each patient shows anywhere from five to 20 “visits” per appointment (12 packs of birth control would show up as 12 individual visits). It does the opposite for abortion visits, bundling them together so each appointment shows as one visit. This skews the numbers. You have an overwhelming number of “visits” for family planning compared to abortion, even though you may have seen the same number of patients.

aolnews.com/2011/03/08/opinion-defund-planned-parenthood/

I think this is where Kyl may have got his 90% figure from, but he did not mention that this figure was for pregnant women.

Looking at a Planned Parenthood [PDF] detailing their services for 2009 (the most recent year for which data are available), we see that PP’s abortion numbers were 332,278, while their number of adoption referrals was 977.

That’s one adoption referral for every 340 aborted babies. And if you add the abortion and adoption numbers together, their abortion numbers account for 99.7%, and their adoption numbers for 0.3%.

Planned Parenthood’s figures show they had 7,021 prenatal clients in 2009. It’s this number plus the 977 adoption referrals plus the 332,278 abortions that gives you the total number of services to pregnant women, of which abortions constitute 97.6%, which rounds up to 98%.

prolifeaction.org/hotline/2011/98percent/
 
TMC said:
A very misleading title. The article says that when a mammogram is indicated, PP sends the woman to a facility that performs the mammogram and PP pays for the mammogram with the grant funds. So I can’t see how its accurate to say that the grants “don’t get women mammograms” – they do. I don’t see what difference it makes that PP sends the patient out to lab or other facility for the actual procedure – many doctors do the same. But the article admits that the grants pay for the mammogram, so the title is contradicted by the article.
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I think the article title may be reffering to the fact that Cecile Richards on the Joy Behar show and other Planned Parenthood supporters have claimed Planned Parenthood do mammograms.

Why not grant funds directly to the clinics that are doing mamograms, like David Schmit says in the LifeNews article.
 
DawnInTexas said:
Catholics cannot support Susan G. Komen for the Cure-as they support Planned Parenthood.

How many women do you think who go to PP-are of the age to have mammograms?

Do you even know what age women start to have mammograms?

We, who are of the age to receive them-do not go to Planned Parenthood-for anything.

Young, fertile women don’t get mammograms. If they have a problem, they need to see a doctor, not an Abortion Clinic.

Trust me—I’ve been out there, on the other side of the fence. Those girls who tell me they’re just going in for health care-I ask them to bring their mothers, and go for health care together.

They never do.

Why? Because it is an Abortion Provider.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
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I didn’t say that we should support PP, but you can’t convince people of the truth by telling them lies. These grants go to pay for mammograms, that is what Komen says, PP says and even the article OP link says. There are lots of reasons to be against PP, but this does not appear to be one of them.
 
Abyssinia said:
Why not grant funds directly to the clinics that are doing mamograms, like David Schmit says in the LifeNews article.
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I would support doing that, if there is a mechanism for getting the mammograms to the women that need them. But you can’t get that done with untruths and half-truths. Here is the problem - the pro-life movement tells Komen not to give mammograms funds to PP because they don’t go to mammograms. Komen knows this is untrue, and therefore ignores the pro-life movement on this issue - and begins to doubt the validity and integrity of everything the pro-life movement says. That has been going on over and over in multiple topic areas for years now. As a result, the pro-life movement is losing credibility with many people. Instead, just be upfront and say Komen shouldn’t give PP funds for mammograms because PP uses other funds to perform abortions. That is an honest message that has some chance of being convincing. I would guess Komen will not agree - but we can keep working on convincing them because credibility has not been destroyed. These campaigns based on exaggerations, half-truths and un-truths are doing terrible damage to the pro-life movement by destroying the credibility of the entire movement.
 
TMC said:
I would support doing that, if there is a mechanism for getting the mammograms to the women that need them. But you can’t get that done with untruths and half-truths. Here is the problem - the pro-life movement tells Komen not to give mammograms funds to PP because they don’t go to mammograms. Komen knows this is untrue, and therefore ignores the pro-life movement on this issue - and begins to doubt the validity and integrity of everything the pro-life movement says. That has been going on over and over in multiple topic areas for years now. As a result, the pro-life movement is losing credibility with many people. Instead, just be upfront and say Komen shouldn’t give PP funds for mammograms because PP uses other funds to perform abortions. That is an honest message that has some chance of being convincing. I would guess Komen will not agree - but we can keep working on convincing them because credibility has not been destroyed. These campaigns based on exaggerations, half-truths and un-truths are doing terrible damage to the pro-life movement by destroying the credibility of the entire movement.
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Cecile Richards and other Planned Parenthood supports have claimed that Planned Parenthood do mammograms, we know this is not true, so the pro life campaign says that money should be given directly to the clinics that do mamograms, not only because Planned Parenthood performs abortions, but because it makes more sense to fund those clinics directly. I do not see where the half truths and un truths are.
 
estesbob said:
I am curious. If they admit their grants don’t go towards mammograms just what is the purpose of the grants? Maybe because about 200,000 of the abortions Planned Parenthood performs per year are killing women the Susan Koman foundation believes you can cut down on breast cancer by limiting the number of women born every year?
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Well, that’s one way to solve the problem. Less women = less breast cancer.
 
Abyssinia said:
Cecile Richards and other Planned Parenthood supports have claimed that Planned Parenthood do mammograms, we know this is not true, so the pro life campaign says that money should be given directly to the clinics that do mamograms, not only because Planned Parenthood performs abortions, but because it makes more sense to fund those clinics directly. I do not see where the half truths and un truths are.
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It is a half-truth to say PP does not provide mammograms because PP screens women for mammgorams, refers women that need mammograms to providers and then pays for the mammogram. It is an untruth to say that PP grants do not pay for mammograms because they do.

I would like to see another organization be used in place of PP to do the same women’s health functions - such as screening women for mammograms, making referrals and paying for them. But it is hard to convince others to make that change with half-truths and un-truths.
 
TMC said:
It is a half-truth to say PP does not provide mammograms because PP screens women for mammgorams, refers women that need mammograms to providers and then pays for the mammogram.
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Provides != screens.
Provides != refers.
Provides != pays.

Screens == screens.
Refers == refers.
Pays == pays.

Provides == provides.

A facility could provide mammograms without screening, referring or paying for them.
 
1holycatholic said:
Provides != screens.
Provides != refers.
Provides != pays.

Screens == screens.
Refers == refers.
Pays == pays.

Provides == provides.

A facility could provide mammograms without screening, referring or paying for them.
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Say I go to my doctor, Dr. X, with an infection and he looks at it and writes me a prescription for an antibiotic. I go to the pharmacist and they fill it, with my insurer paying for it.

If I started telling people that Dr. X is not a good doctor because I had an infection and he did not provide me with the antibiotics I needed, would most people think that was a fair statement? If I started telling people that my insurer was not a good insurer because they did not provide me with the antibiotics I needed, would most people think that was a fair statement?

We have an obligation to be fair with the truth for two reasons. First, because our moral standards require it (and PP’s failure in morals does not excuse us from that duty). Second, because the credibility of the pro-life movement depends on it. Those that play fast and loose with the truth while claiming to speak for any movement do that movement incredible harm.
 
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