Komen Admits Planned Parenthood Grants Don’t Get Women Mammograms

[lynx]

Women don’t go to PP for health care. They go there for abortions.

Their services fact sheet that their opponents reference would argue otherwise. PP only has abortions at 3% of total services rendered within a year.

Two pro-life groups are hoping to cut those numbers, by placing 70 billboards across the Los Angeles area. The signs feature the message: “Black Children Are An Endangered Species.”

youtube.com/watch?v=Qopof1RsH10

Those are nice, but El Cajon isn’t in the LA area, and i’m not sure they have those billboards up yet. Again, I haven’t seen’em when I drive around the Burbank area, maybe LCMS has…

You are on CAF. You have been witnessed to regarding the prolife alternatives to PP. You have no excuse to continue to push for government funding of PP. Perhaps the government should fund Birthright instead of PP. That way the message would go out as boldly as PP’s message.

I’m at CAF because I wanted to know how Catholics thought about the priest scandals. I didn’t come to CAF to learn about why PP is evil or Pro Life hospital alternatives. If Birthright wants to follow secular provisions as PP does then sure fund it, I don’t care.

 

[lynx]

I’m not the one who’s misinformed about what PP does.

What you posted is more of their standard operating procedure and not the services they provide and how many, through the pov of a woman who refers to PP as evil and claims that PP requires 50% of the contraception they use to fail in order to make ~700 million in revenue. Abby Johnson is biased, and what she says makes no sense. Still, even in Abby’s assessment, no one is forcing women to have an abortion, certainly Abby and none of her staff forced someone to have an abortion. So, why does she think PP is mostly about abortions when abortions only constitute 3% of services? Assuming PP told her to give more abortions how are you going to do it? The women that want abortions didn’t need PP to convince them.

 

[estesbob]

I’m at CAF because I wanted to know how Catholics thought about the priest scandals. I didn’t come to CAF to learn about why PP is evil or Pro Life hospital alternatives. If Birthright wants to follow secular provisions as PP does then sure fund it, I don’t care.

So PP can get funds as long as they dont mention God while killing babies but Birthright can not as long as they mention God while saving babies?

 

[lynx]

So PP can get funds as long as they dont mention God while killing babies but Birthright can not as long as they mention God while saving babies?

Yeah that’s about the jist of it. Most of America doesn’t follow Catholic logic that abortion is wrong, so they don’t see it as killing a baby. Right or wrong, this perception is Catholicisms problem if it’s looking to push for funding and de-funding of services. The US ensures me my freedom from religion in government sponsored services so I expect Birthright to comply if it takes secular money.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I’m at CAF because I wanted to know how Catholics thought about the priest scandals. I didn’t come to CAF to learn about why PP is evil or Pro Life hospital alternatives. If Birthright wants to follow secular provisions as PP does then sure fund it, I don’t care.

This Forum is about funding PP. You now know the truth about PP. It is an evil and unnecessary organization.

 

[Erich]

So, why does she think PP is mostly about abortions when abortions only constitute 3% of services?

Because income from abortions constitutes 37% of Planned Parenthood health clinic revenue. According to Planned Parenthood’s latest annual report, health clinic income was $404,900,000. The Planned Parenthood website indicates that abortions cost between $350-950, depending on method and location. If one were to use $450 as a very low estimate for abortion cost, revenue of 332,278 abortions would equal $149,525,100, which would be roughly 37% of the clinic revenue. So, when it comes to revenue from Planned Parenthood clinics, and not including government funding and other sources of donations, a huge percent of its revenue comes from abortion.

 

[Erich]

If you hate PP for abortions, then hate them for abortions, it does not negate the fact that PP provides millions in free health care to the poor that they would otherwise not receive, saving lives.

Millions? PP *performed fewer than 20,000 other services in the last year. *That “fewer than 20,000 other services” is referring to primary health care clients, as indicated in PP’s own latest fact sheet. That’s less than 6% of the number of abortions they committed during the same reporting period (or, assuming a “best case” of 20,000 lives saved, almost 17 lives *lost *for every life saved).

 

[1holycatholic]

Yeah that’s about the jist of it. Most of America doesn’t follow Catholic logic that abortion is wrong, so they don’t see it as killing a baby.

That it is a baby is science fact. Virtually everyone will say that it is wrong to deliberately kill an innocent human being, not just Catholics. Those that want to kill an innocent human being through abortion assuage their conscience by denying the scientific fact that it is a human being that is deliberately killed.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

That it is a baby is science fact. Virtually everyone will say that it is wrong to deliberately kill an innocent human being, not just Catholics. Those that want to kill an innocent human being through abortion assuage their conscience by denying the scientific fact that it is a human being that is deliberately killed.

Yes. There doesn’t exist a credible embryologist who will not confirm that life begins at conception. Now, most of the atheistic ones will say, “Of course life begins at conception, so what?”

 

[Abyssinia]

Perhaps if it’s the only free health care provider in town you make due. I’m all for more health centers surrounding and taking down PP. I sure hope they open up soon.

A myth-they are located almost exclusively in the poor section of large cities where free health care is readily available.

Most community health centers are in urban and rural areas. There are 800 Planned Parenthoods, there are 7000 federally qualified health clinics that offer free or low income healthcare in every state.

 

[Abyssinia]

So a pregnant women getting condoms, seeking a cancer screening, getting std treatment, or getting a pregnancy test wouldn’t count?

There are three services that target pregnant women, prenatal, abortion, and adoption. Abortion is the overwelming number one.

 

[Abyssinia]

PP doesn’t deny that they target low income neighborhoods. No one forces a woman at PP to have an abortion, that is her choice that she makes freely of her own will. PP helps millions of women who would otherwise be without health care and well woman services. To claim that PP doesn’t care about the health of low-income women is naive at best.

It’s far more likely that Black and Hispanic women would go to a Planned when 80% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods.

It was found in a study that in areas where are a disproportinate high number of fast food stores that was the main reason why locals had high rates of obesity:

smarthealth-guide.com/2010/12/17/fast-food-restaurants-more-make-people-fat-planner-of-melbourne/

So if areas have a large number of abortion clinics, fast food stores etc. it is more likely the locals will use those services, and have higher rates of whatever is the result of using those services.

If Planned Parenthood closed down tomorrow, women would have access to free health care at thousands of community health centers. Women do not need Planned Parenthood.

 

[Abyssinia]

So a pregnant women getting condoms, seeking a cancer screening, getting std treatment, or getting a pregnancy test wouldn’t count?

The overwelming majority of services that pregnant women take up from Planned Parenthood are abortion.

 

[estesbob]

Yeah that’s about the jist of it. Most of America doesn’t follow Catholic logic that abortion is wrong, so they don’t see it as killing a baby. Right or wrong, this perception is Catholicisms problem if it’s looking to push for funding and de-funding of services. The US ensures me my freedom from religion in government sponsored services so I expect Birthright to comply if it takes secular money.

In effect the govt promotes immorality and atheism-which of course was never our founders intention we have morphed freedom of religion into freedom from religion and we are paying a terrible price n

 

[Cristiano]

Yeah that’s about the jist of it. Most of America doesn’t follow Catholic logic that abortion is wrong, so they don’t see it as killing a baby. Right or wrong, this perception is Catholicisms problem if it’s looking to push for funding and de-funding of services. The US ensures me my freedom from religion in government sponsored services so I expect Birthright to comply if it takes secular money.

I think that you are completely wrong here. Most of America sees abortion as killing a baby and most of the abortionists admit to that too. The problem of acceptance of abortion is in its convenience and pseudo-moral justifications.

 

[lynx]

Because income from abortions constitutes 37% of Planned Parenthood health clinic revenue. According to Planned Parenthood’s latest annual report, health clinic income was $404,900,000. The Planned Parenthood website indicates that abortions cost between $350-950, depending on method and location. If one were to use $450 as a very low estimate for abortion cost, revenue of 332,278 abortions would equal $149,525,100, which would be roughly 37% of the clinic revenue. So, when it comes to revenue from Planned Parenthood clinics, and not including government funding and other sources of donations, a huge percent of its revenue comes from abortion.

No doubt PP makes money off of abortions, lots of money. Regardless, abortions are 3% of the services PP provides.

Millions?

Millions of dollars and people (~3m en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood).

PP *performed fewer than 20,000 other services in the last year. *That “fewer than 20,000 other services” is referring to primary health care clients, as indicated in PP’s own latest fact sheet. That’s less than 6% of the number of abortions they committed during the same reporting period (or, assuming a “best case” of 20,000 lives saved, almost 17 lives *lost *for every life saved).

From your link:

STI/STD Testing and Treatment — 35 percent of services in 2009
Cancer Screening and Prevention — 16 percent of services in 2009
Other Women’s Health Services — 10 percent of services in 2009
Other Services — 1 percent of services in 2009

So about 62% of what PP does is completely health related. Assuming about 3 million people use PP then it’s reasonable to assume .62 x 3000000 = 1860000 people use PP for health care services. So, about there’s about 1860000 / 332278 = 5.6 people using PP for health care per abortion. Seeing as the number of abortions is irrelevant to you why bring it up?

 

[lynx]

That it is a baby is science fact. Virtually everyone will say that it is wrong to deliberately kill an innocent human being, not just Catholics. Those that want to kill an innocent human being through abortion assuage their conscience by denying the scientific fact that it is a human being that is deliberately killed.

Baby is a vague term for a science fact. Science likes to use words like gamete, zygote, embryo, fetus and child. When is a fetus not a child? I think the general conclusion is when the fetus is viable outside of the womb. Does a gamete, zygote, embryo, or fetus have the same rights of a child? A majority of people, and the courts say no. If you say science claims different can you point me to the experiment that supports your statement?

 

[lynx]

Yes. There doesn’t exist a credible embryologist who will not confirm that life begins at conception. Now, most of the atheistic ones will say, “Of course life begins at conception, so what?”

Define life. Life is tricky, and some gametes might arguably be alive. Catholics are not concerned about this life though, they’re concerned with a soul. It is more appropriate to say a soul begins at conception. However, assume that it was discovered that a soul really begins at child viability. Would you still be against terminating a zygote?

 

[1holycatholic]

Baby is a vague term for a science fact. Science likes to use words like gamete, zygote, embryo, fetus and child. When is a fetus not a child? I think the general conclusion is when the fetus is viable outside of the womb. Does a gamete, zygote, embryo, or fetus have the same rights of a child? A majority of people, and the courts say no. If you say science claims different can you point me to the experiment that supports your statement?

In every stage from conception onward it is a human being.

I was unaware that women now had zygote showers etc…

The general conclusion is irrelevant. The science is that a human being always exists from the point of conception, no magic wand gets waved at some arbitrary point that makes it so.

Your superstitious beliefs have no place in the discussion.

 

[lynx]

Most community health centers are in urban and rural areas. There are 800 Planned Parenthoods, there are 7000 federally qualified health clinics that offer free or low income healthcare in every state.

It’s far more likely that Black and Hispanic women would go to a Planned when 80% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods.

It was found in a study that in areas where are a disproportinate high number of fast food stores that was the main reason why locals had high rates of obesity:

smarthealth-guide.com/2010/12/17/fast-food-restaurants-more-make-people-fat-planner-of-melbourne/

So if areas have a large number of abortion clinics, fast food stores etc. it is more likely the locals will use those services, and have higher rates of whatever is the result of using those services.

If Planned Parenthood closed down tomorrow, women would have access to free health care at thousands of community health centers. Women do not need Planned Parenthood.

I’ve been hearing this argument a lot. So here’s the question, are millions of people unaware of these other centers for free health, or are these other centers not in areas that PP serves? Apparently there are billboards everywhere, according to some, that detail their existence. So, why do people go to PP?