Kony 2012

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Or am I no better than them…? Perhaps we’re entering global thuggery ourselves…

Are we becoming a society of democratic crusaders who have adapted to jihadist mentality…?

Is history repeating?
 
TEPO said:
Or am I no better than them…? Perhaps we’re entering global thuggery ourselves…

Are we becoming a society of democratic crusaders who have adapted to jihadist mentality…?

Is history repeating?
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Don’t over think the issue. 🙂

There is nothing wrong with wanting to bring a Kony to justice. Apart from holding him accountable for his crimes, the greater issue of whether men like him should be allowed to act with impunity is at stake. Invisible Children is asking that Kony be captured alive so he can stand trial before an international criminal court. It is perfectly legitimate for non-African countries to provide local authorities with the resources they need to hunt down and capture Kony, which is what President Obama has ordered the military to do.

Thus, object, motive & means are all in line with Catholic moral teaching.

There is no validity to the argument that because other grave evil exits in the world, we are somehow misguided in our demand that action be taken against Kony. This is not an either/or situation. I believe anyone who uses such arguments to justify undermining the momentum of the Kony 2012 campaign is making a serious error in moral judgement.

As for whether the filmmakers are only doing this for personal gain - my response is that they appear to be quite talented and could easily have made money using their talents to produce misleading campaign commercials or drivel for Hollywood. The fact that they are choosing to use their talents to promote this cause is commendable. After all, “A worker deserves his pay.” These filmmakers are not only raising awareness, but are making millions of young people see that having a social conscience can be cool.

That is a terrific achievement!
 
TEPO said:
Uh-huh, and had you been discovered kidnapping one of the local children the authorities probably would have simply let you go free after you explained your reasoning -being that there is so little corruption among the authorities there.
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Well since kony only controls a small part of uganda. One wouldn’t even have to take the boy out of the country. And how is it kidnapping? His parents are dead his entire family is dead. He is alone. Taking a boy in that situation from country to another more stable area is not kidnapping. Yes the uganda government is corrupt. But they are hardly as bad as kony.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Sorry, busy working on getting rid of all the Koney’s in this country atm. Only once country at a time please.
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You are not required to actively engage in every battle against evil - but you cannot be indifferent to evil once you become aware of it. At the very least you must condemn it.

Kidnapping children, forcing children to watch their parents and siblings be murdered, forcing children to actually murder their own parents, turning young girls into sex slaves and forcing young men to mutilate people’s faces. These are among Kony’s crimes.

Now you know.
 
bellasbane said:
You are not required to actively engage in every battle against evil - but you cannot be indifferent to evil once you become aware of it. At the very least you must condemn it.

Kidnapping children, forcing children to watch their parents and siblings be murdered, forcing children to actually murder their own parents, turning young girls into sex slaves and forcing young men to mutilate people’s faces. These are among Kony’s crimes.

Now you know.
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Unlike many liberals I condemn all evil.
 
ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120316/kony-creator-arrested-120316/20120316/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

One of the creators of the viral “Kony 2012” video campaign has been detained for allegedly being drunk, vandalizing cars and masturbating in public, according to media reports.

Jason Russell, the 33-year-old co-founder of the group Invisible Children, was reportedly detained by police in San Diego on Thursday night, according to force spokeswoman Andra Brown.

Russell, who has been described as a Christian father of two kids, was apparently acting very strange when officers picked him up, Brown told NBC San Diego.

The “Kony 2012” video sparked a massive reaction earlier this month when it was released, publicizing the alleged war crimes of Uganda’s Joseph Kony.

Russell directed the video, and on the Invisible Children website, he is described as “our grand storyteller and dreamer.”

Invisible Children spokesperson Ben Keesey told TMZ that “Jason Russell was unfortunately hospitalized yesterday suffering from exhaustion, dehydration, and malnutrition.”

Keesey said that Russell “is now receiving medical care and is focused on getting better. The past two weeks have taken a severe emotional toll on all of us, Jason especially, and that toll manifested itself in an unfortunate incident yesterday.”

He added: “Jason’s passion and his work have done so much to help so many, and we are devastated to see him dealing with this personal health issue. We will always love and support Jason, and we ask that you give his entire family privacy during this difficult time.”
 
I don’t use Facebook so I had not heard of this project that way. The way I became familiar with this is through a website I find interesting that looks at symbols used in the media from a perspective that there are nefarious forces at work in the world (something any Christian should believe). I was not shocked to learn that a co-founder of the project ‘freaked out’. The world is a strange, evil place and you had best beware of what media you consume.

This is the article: KONY 2012: State Propaganda for a New Generation

Oh, and if you really think this was some small project that blew up beyond the founder’s expectations you might want to answer the question of why so many and varied ‘saints’ of the secular world were in out it from the beginning.

 
exnihilo said:
Oh, and if you really think this was some small project that blew up beyond the founder’s expectations you might want to answer the question of why so many and varied ‘saints’ of the secular world were in out it from the beginning.
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What do you mean by this statement?
 
Havard said:
What do you mean by this statement?
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It should have read:

Oh, and if you really think this was some small project that blew up beyond the founder’s expectations you might want to answer the question of why so many and varied ‘saints’ of the secular world were in on it from the beginning.

The wife of the co-founder who freaked out said:
‘We thought a few thousand people would see the film, but in less than a week, millions of people around the world saw it,’
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I do not see how one would think only a few thousand people would see the film when it was being promoted by so many big names in government and popular entertainment.

By ‘saints’ of the secular world I meant supporters like Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, Rihanna, Oprah, George Clooney, Bono most of whom are anything but saints in the Christian sense and of course George Bush and Condoleezza Rice who lied us into a supremely destructive war of aggression. My mind has a hard time attributing the virtue of compassion for innocents with those two.
 
exnihilo said:
It should have read:

Oh, and if you really think this was some small project that blew up beyond the founder’s expectations you might want to answer the question of why so many and varied ‘saints’ of the secular world were in on it from the beginning.

The wife of the co-founder who freaked out said:

I do not see how one would think only a few thousand people would see the film when it was being promoted by so many big names in government and popular entertainment.

By ‘saints’ of the secular world I meant supporters like Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, Rihanna, Oprah, George Clooney, Bono most of whom are anything but saints in the Christian sense and of course George Bush and Condoleezza Rice who lied us into a supremely destructive war of aggression. My mind has a hard time attributing the virtue of compassion for innocents with those two.
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Hmm, interesting perspective. I don’t think any of those people are considered saints, however I also don’t think we should question their compassion for innocents here.

I urge you not respond with any examples about Condi or Bush. This thread isn’t about other past actions, anyway. It is at least tangentially about celebrities who are sometimes poorly informed about the causes they support, but even then, their sins are much less than the sins of those who mislead them.
 
Havard said:
Hmm, interesting perspective. I don’t think any of those people are considered saints, however I also don’t think we should question their compassion for innocents here.
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Why should we not question their compassion? I think we should be wise as serpents. The lifestyles of most of these people would not suggest their charitable work is properly motivated. Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, and Rihanna promote terrible things. Even if they are on the right side of an issue I would not join forces with them. These people are promoting hedonism one minute and compassion the next. That makes the whole thing smell rotten to me.
 
exnihilo said:
I don’t use Facebook so I had not heard of this project that way. The way I became familiar with this is through a website I find interesting that looks at symbols used in the media from a perspective that there are nefarious forces at work in the world (something any Christian should believe). I was not shocked to learn that a co-founder of the project ‘freaked out’. The world is a strange, evil place and you had best beware of what media you consume.

This is the article: KONY 2012: State Propaganda for a New Generation

Oh, and if you really think this was some small project that blew up beyond the founder’s expectations you might want to answer the question of why so many and varied ‘saints’ of the secular world were in out it from the beginning.
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All you need to do is search for Kony 2012 on Daily Kos, and you will find that some on the “secular” left believe it’s all a right-wing Christian conspiracy:

“Invisible Children” Funded By Antigay, Creationist Christian Right

Invisible Children might be working with “kill the gays” pastor in Uganda

This give me hope that the Kony 2012 campaign is really is just what it appears to be. I feel sorry for what happened to Jason Russell - he clearly had some sort of break down.
 
exnihilo said:
Why should we not question their compassion? I think we should be wise as serpents. The lifestyles of most of these people would not suggest their charitable work is properly motivated. Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, and Rihanna promote terrible things. Even if they are on the right side of an issue I would not join forces with them. These people are promoting hedonism one minute and compassion the next. That makes the whole thing smell rotten to me.
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No, what I’m saying is that I think the discussion of how celebrities misuse their fame deserves its own thread. I’m not saying it’s irrelevant here, but the real players in this are Kony and the people within the Invisible Children.
 
bellasbane said:
All you need to do is search for Kony 2012 on Daily Kos, and you will find that some on the “secular” left believe it’s all a right-wing Christian conspiracy… This give me hope that the Kony 2012 campaign is really is just what it appears to be. I feel sorry for what happened to Jason Russell - he clearly had some sort of break down.
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Their suspicion might be very reasonable but their conclusions about just who is behind it wrong. The left, like the right, tend to look at the world as a dichotomy. This dichotomy is encouraged. It is easy to understand because man finds it easy to understand the dichotomy of good and evil. It could be that the people really behind this transcend the traditional left and right division and in fact use that idea to further their goals. Ultimately I dont know the truth behind it but I find it difficult to reconcile all the facts.
pepipop said:
He, seemingly, doesn’t drink or do drugs, so he must have had a pyschotic episode then. Dehydration and exhaustion usually causes people to be extremely fatigued, not take their clothes off, curse and shout at people. Very bizarre.
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Quite a number of media stars have had a freak out. Being popular in our media seems to be very bad for you.
 
pepipop said:
tmz.com/2012/03/18/jason-russell-video-naked-meltdown-kony/

articles.cnn.com/2012-03-17/africa/world_africa_uganda-viral-video_1_halt-killings-drinking-film?_s=PM:AFRICA

He, seemingly, doesn’t drink or do drugs, so he must have had a pyschotic episode then. Dehydration and exhaustion usually causes people to be extremely fatigued, not take their clothes off, curse and shout at people. Very bizarre.
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Anyone think that Kony put a curse on Jason Russell? Maybe we need to pray for this man and send him a St. Benedict’s medal or something.
 
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