Koran burning cancelled

[Sabda]

He’s now saying that he’s back to square one now that the Imam has said he’s not moving the mosque. It’s a soap opera.

From what I read on Yahoo news this morning the Imam is saying one thing and some of the backers are saying another. There is a backer who claims to have more money invested into this building and he has apparently stated that for the right price he will sell his portion. According to him he is the major shareholder in this whole endeavor. This just gets more and more interesting.

Backers of NYC Islamic center appear divided

 

[MerryCatholic]

bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11255366

Well, whatever the reason, I think it’s a good thing.

they said on cnn its pending cancellation. that was the latest.

 

[Charlotte408]

I hope the Imam chooses to do the right thing, like the Pastor did.

 

[GeoCyclist]

He’s lost his nerve. Simple as.

 

[jmcrae]

He’s lost his nerve. Simple as.

“Lost his nerve” or else woke up and realized what a stupid idea it was (which it was). Six of one, half a dozen of the other, right?

 

[Chaplain777]

I have heard news reports that the FBI issued veiled threats to the pastor, that there would be serious consequences should he follow through with the burning. And, I have heard that Donald Trump is interested in buying a 25% share in the mosque property to stop all of this dog and pony show. I believe that we will know the answers only when it’s over and done with.

Being concerned whether or not muslims get “offended” if one guy in Fla. burns a book or two is way down on my list, but since it has been brought to the forefront by the ever pot-stirring lame stream media, I hope that he will decide not to follow through with this burning. I also hope the mosque at GZ falls though.

 

[JDeJ]

Notice how you said where GOD aided and where GOD wiped out… when God HIMSELF tells us to take up the sword we will obey but one of His last commands was NOT to be violent; “He who lives by the sword shall die by it” - paraphrased of course.

It is not our place to judge or to call down judgment. That is God’s place and unless He speaks directly to our religious leaders we are to remain peaceful.

Amen!

 

[papa_k]

I for one think all korans should be burned. That in itself is not violent. It’s just a book anyway, and full of misinformation.

I read a lot of entries maligning the Westboro people and the church in Gainseville, none of which was charitable. Whatever you think of them personally, if they make a stand against islam, it is the right example, esp if they are doing it peacefully, which is what I see them doing.

Most everybody else is doing nothing useful and waving goodbye to civilization with good intentions, which I actually think is veiled cowardice and capitulation.

I hope a lot of enthusiastic churches do this tomorrow and every 9-11.

 

[jmcrae]

I for one think all korans should be burned. That in itself is not violent. It’s just a book anyway, and full of misinformation.

There are lots of books like that - burning them doesn’t help; it just makes people angry. We are to turn away wrath with gentleness - not to actually provoke wrath, deliberately!

Freedom includes the freedom to be wrong. If we destroy everything except for what agrees with us, then how are we all that different from the Muslims? That’s what they do.

 

[Califman831]

NO.

Not everyone on CAF who says they are Catholic is actually teaching what the Church teaches, unfortunately.

Ironically true, since Vatican II the those in power turned thier back on the teachings of Holy Mother Church and went politically correct.

"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. Mathew 5:30

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. Gal 1:8

 

[jmcrae]

Ironically true, since Vatican II the those in power turned thier back on the teachings of Holy Mother Church and went politically correct.

"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. Mathew 5:30

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. Gal 1:8

From the Church, yes. Not from the world. We don’t have a mandate to remove unbelievers from the life of this world; only from the Church - and the Muslims aren’t part of the Church, to begin with.

 

[Christopher68]

I do not think burning the koran is a good idea. But let’s take a look at the response of the muslim world versus a typical response from the western world. In response to a stated intention of burning a koran (not an actual burning), there have been protests in the middle east - as reported via major news outlets today - that protesters were burning USA flags and chanting “death to Americans.” By way of contrast, can you imagine if someone from the middle east merely stated that they were going to burn a cross and a USA flag, and as a result there were large protests in the USA where korans were burned and people shouted “death to the middle east”??? I can’t imagine that either. My point is that there is no proportionality between typical responses of the western world compared to the middle east. Our cultures are vastly different and I suspect we will never see eye to eye on many issues.

 

[donsnow]

I do not think burning the koran is a good idea. But let’s take a look at the response of the muslim world versus a typical response from the western world. In response to a stated intention of burning a koran (not an actual burning), there have been protests in the middle east - as reported via major news outlets today - that protesters were burning USA flags and chanting “death to Americans.” By way of contrast, can you imagine if someone from the middle east merely stated that they were going to burn a cross and a USA flag, and as a result there were large protests in the USA where korans were burned and people shouted “death to the middle east”??? I can’t imagine that either. My point is that there is no proportionality between typical responses of the western world compared to the middle east. Our cultures are vastly different and I suspect we will never see eye to eye on many issues.

Maybe you haven’t noticed, but people in the Middle East have been burning American flags and chanting “Death to Americans” for decades of years, already. Nothing new.

 

[Catherine_D]

You mean I’m not the only person in the world who gets this?

No, I get it too.

I think this was a publicity stunt. It’s hard to think of a way to get more international attention than this stunt. This is a dream come true for a Pastor of a tiny church who has an agenda.

But this also bothers me in another way. In fact in a couple of ways.

• This pastor has the unequivocal right to burn a Koran, it is his First Amendment right. Whether he decides to do so or not remains to be seen, but virtually no one argues that he has the right to do so, and anyone who would suggest so would be legally incorrect. What is being questioned is the propriety of doing so. Interestingly, a similar argument is being made regarding the Ground Zero Mosque. It is fascinating to see that those that vociferously oppose the Pastor’s plan to burn Korans will switch to a different side of the argument when the subject is the Ground Zero Mosque. That’s hypocrisy pure and simple.
• We have been treated to various factions preaching to us about “tolerance” on both these matters. Interestingly, the folks that most often preach “tolerance” are the same people that call a Crucifix in a bucket of urine “art” and expect the rest of us to be “tolerant” of such blasphemy. Well I have news for them ~ what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Either there is tolerance or there is not. Either there is repect for religious sensibilities or there’s not. But to expect us to agree to one form of tolerance for Muslims and another form of tolerance for the rest of us smacks of “dhimmitude” to me. We are not 2nd class citizens in a Muslim country, so those that want the rest of us to be respectful of Muslim sensibilities need to start showing the same respect to other faiths. Otherwise, they should hush and stop making this argument because they have outed themselves as hypocrits.

Hypocrisy is very annoying. Some consistency needs to be arrived at here. Anything else is intellectually dishonest. Being (or at least pretending to be) “intellectual” is very important to certain segments of society, so no doubt such persons will seek intellectual honesty, right? Well this is one way. Be fair and even-handed when preaching right v. propriety or on any matter of “tolerance”. To do otherwise makes a mockery of any intellectual position.

 

[HickmanJosh]

Afghans protest Koran burning for second day
Reuters:

The renewed protests in the war-torn country came after obscure Florida Pastor Terry Jones called off plans to burn copies of the Koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States.

The plans triggered outrage in Afghanistan and across the Muslim world with President Barack Obama warning the action could deeply hurt the United States abroad and endanger the lives of U.S. troops.

 

[Teelynn]

No, I get it too.

I think this was a publicity stunt. It’s hard to think of a way to get more international attention than this stunt. This is a dream come true for a Pastor of a tiny church who has an agenda.

But this also bothers me in another way. In fact in a couple of ways.

• This pastor has the unequivocal right to burn a Koran, it is his First Amendment right. Whether he decides to do so or not remains to be seen, but virtually no one argues that he has the right to do so, and anyone who would suggest so would be legally incorrect. What is being questioned is the propriety of doing so. Interestingly, a similar argument is being made regarding the Ground Zero Mosque. It is fascinating to see that those that vociferously oppose the Pastor’s plan to burn Korans will switch to a different side of the argument when the subject is the Ground Zero Mosque. That’s hypocrisy pure and simple.
• We have been treated to various factions preaching to us about “tolerance” on both these matters. Interestingly, the folks that most often preach “tolerance” are the same people that call a Crucifix in a bucket of urine “art” and expect the rest of us to be “tolerant” of such blasphemy. Well I have news for them ~ what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Either there is tolerance or there is not. Either there is repect for religious sensibilities or there’s not. But to expect us to agree to one form of tolerance for Muslims and another form of tolerance for the rest of us smacks of “dhimmitude” to me. We are not 2nd class citizens in a Muslim country, so those that want the rest of us to be respectful of Muslim sensibilities need to start showing the same respect to other faiths. Otherwise, they should hush and stop making this argument because they have outed themselves as hypocrits.

Hypocrisy is very annoying. Some consistency needs to be arrived at here. Anything else is intellectually dishonest. Being (or at least pretending to be) “intellectual” is very important to certain segments of society, so no doubt such persons will seek intellectual honesty, right? Well this is one way. Be fair and even-handed when preaching right v. propriety or on any matter of “tolerance”. To do otherwise makes a mockery of any intellectual position.

This is hitting the nail on the head. The HYPOCRISY IS DEAFENING!! The President’s remarks on these two very similar situations is incredibly showing. The burning of the Queran has the same effect on Muslims as the building of this so called Mosque (I believe it to be a recruiting center as well) is to Americans and in particular those Americans who are survivors of 9/11. This is to them hallowed ground. It is nothing less than a burial site to be memorialized and honored…to build anything there is offensive, let along a “Mosque” which represents the “religion” that Islamic radicals killed themselves and thousands of innocent Americans to establish their presence here. And the President and other like minded “Americans” are supporting the Mosque and condemning the burning of the Queran?

Of course the burning of the Queran is absolute disrespect and blasphemous for the Muslim community and should be condemned, but so is the building of this Mosque overlooking ground zero!!!

 

[Julianna]

I for one think all korans should be burned. That in itself is not violent. It’s just a book anyway, and full of misinformation.

I read a lot of entries maligning the Westboro people and the church in Gainseville, none of which was charitable. Whatever you think of them personally, if they make a stand against islam, it is the right example, esp if they are doing it peacefully, which is what I see them doing.

Most everybody else is doing nothing useful and waving goodbye to civilization with good intentions, which I actually think is veiled cowardice and capitulation.

I hope a lot of enthusiastic churches do this tomorrow and every 9-11.

And put our troops in harms way? Are you for real?

 

[larkin31]

Maybe you haven’t noticed, but people in the Middle East have been burning American flags and chanting “Death to Americans” for decades of years, already. Nothing new.

Indeed. And it is bigoted and ignorant.

 

[a_priori]

I for one think all korans should be burned. That in itself is not violent. It’s just a book anyway, and full of misinformation.

I read a lot of entries maligning the Westboro people and the church in Gainseville, none of which was charitable. Whatever you think of them personally, if they make a stand against islam, it is the right example, esp if they are doing it peacefully, which is what I see them doing.

Most everybody else is doing nothing useful and waving goodbye to civilization with good intentions, which I actually think is veiled cowardice and capitulation.

I hope a lot of enthusiastic churches do this tomorrow and every 9-11.

This is not making “a stand” against Islam. This is a common, base, visceral act of defiance that is no more noble than road rage. It will improve nothing. It will not prevent the loss of “civilization”. It will only make things worse because their nut-job counterparts in Islam will respond in kind and the cycle of conflict will continue with the human race being worse off for it. Disgusting. A pox on both whack-job houses.

 

[larkin31]

I for one think all korans should be burned. That in itself is not violent. It’s just a book anyway, and full of misinformation.

I read a lot of entries maligning the Westboro people and the church in Gainseville, none of which was charitable. Whatever you think of them personally, if they make a stand against islam, it is the right example, esp if they are doing it peacefully, which is what I see them doing.

Most everybody else is doing nothing useful and waving goodbye to civilization with good intentions, which I actually think is veiled cowardice and capitulation.

I hope a lot of enthusiastic churches do this tomorrow and every 9-11.

I challenge you to put your money where your internet mouth is.

Go to your local bookstore, buy all of their copies of their Korans in order to keep the evil word from spreading to innocents, go out on your front lawn or town square, and do a burning. Better yet, stand up in your sanctuary or fellowship hall, and invite your congregation to your public burning. Make sure, too, that you use your name while doing so, just so if anyone else in your community or around the world gets really angry with you they will not take it out on a local target of convenience but rather easily be able to express to you how they feel.

And take a pic and post it here so that we can see that you are not a hypocrite when you call lack of book-burning “cowardice” or “capitulation.” Do you accept this challenge?