La. bishops: No guns in Catholic churches

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Modern guns did not exist when the 2nd Amendment was written. Maybe we need to call a Constitutional Convention to interpet the present constitution or maybe write a new one?
Anyway, I don’t want to have to carry a drawn pistol to a church or grocery to feel safe.
If our country becomes that dangerous, then it will be time to leave and go to a country that has sensible gun laws!
 
chain said:
The sheep are happy (they don’t see any canines that might be wolfs), and unaware the sheepdogs are invisibly protecting them .
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In the presence of God, we should all be sheep rather than canines (wolves or not), as we trust in the protection of our Good Shepherd rather than the self-appointed wolves in sheepdog clothing.
 
ok, going to add just a bit more. I teach firearm safety. I bet 90+% of my parish knows that. A smaller (but still large) percent also knows that while I teach mostly rifle safety, I shoot pistol competitively. It is not a big guess from those two things that there is a very high likelihood that I have a chl.

For me that is not a problem, because I only attend Sunday mass in my home Parrish, and I go from home, to mass, back home. However, when I attend weekday mass that is not the case. If I attended weekday mass in my parish - I would have a targeted vehicle. When I do attend weekday mass, it is near my work, and nobody knows my rifle/pistol background there - but it is in a place that has a MUCH larger probability of car burglaries. Worse yet, it is near a school (and mass is right before school starts) - so the stolen weapon would probably go strait to the school building were it could do the worse harm. It is not a safe place to leave a pistol in the car.
 
k0bklJohn said:
Modern guns did not exist when the 2nd Amendment was written.
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Neither did TV, radio, internet, etc. Does that mean that our freedom of speech does not extend to them?
k0bklJohn said:
Maybe we need to call a Constitutional Convention to interpet the present constitution or maybe write a new one?
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The 2nd amendment was recently ruled upon twice within the past year by the US Supreme Court and both times they ruled that the it was an individual right.
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Anyway, I don’t want to have to carry a drawn pistol to a church or grocery to feel safe.
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How can you feel safe knowing that you will be unable to defend yourself if faced with a bigger / stronger attacker?
k0bklJohn said:
If our country becomes that dangerous, then it will be time to leave and go to a country that has sensible gun laws!
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You realize, of course, that every country that has established stricter gun laws, has seen their violent crime rate rise.
 
Stylites said:
In the presence of God, we should all be sheep rather than canines (wolves or not), as we trust in the protection of our Good Shepherd rather than the self-appointed wolves in sheepdog clothing.
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That is contrary to official Church teaching. Nowhere does it say that our duty to defend ourselves and others stops at the Church door.
 
k0bklJohn said:
Modern guns did not exist when the 2nd Amendment was written.
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So? The guns that existed were modern for the time
Maybe we need to call a Constitutional Convention to interpet the present constitution or maybe write a new one?
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Why don’t we just follow the one that we have? Do you know what “unalienable rights” are?
Anyway, I don’t want to have to carry a drawn pistol to a church or grocery to feel safe.
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Don’t - you’ll probably get arrested for brandishing a weapon.
If our country becomes that dangerous, then it will be time to leave and go to a country that has sensible gun laws!
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Sensible gun law: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
 
Devices designed for ending human life, have NO place on the physical premises where we worship our LORD. Bravo Bishop!
 
smithm29 said:
I see no problem with banning swords from a church building. What about that implies a loss of common sense? I seriously doubt that any 4th degree Knight considers his sword a weapon, but that’s irrelevant. It is a weapon- an instrument designed to kill and maim. Even when it’s used for purely ceremonial purposes, that’s what it is.
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It is a weapon of killing and maiming when 99% of the swords used by the 4th Degree Knights is un-sharpened? Might work for stabbing, kinda…
 
The point I was trying to make is, when this country becomes so dangerous that I have to carry a loaded weapon everywhere is when I will seek another country to live in! I don’t want to have to go armed even to church!
 
I just got back from a mission trip to Africa.

For quite a number of our parish visits, the local bishop set along two guards with AK-47’s.

Before I went, I did a refamiliariztion on the AK, just in case.

And yes, there were there during Mass as well.

One might not ‘want’ to be armed at Mass, but there are times when our ‘wants’ have to defer to the Virtue of Prudence.
 
Brendan said:
I just got back from a mission trip to Africa.

For quite a number of our parish visits, the local bishop set along two guards with AK-47’s.

Before I went, I did a refamiliariztion on the AK, just in case.

And yes, there were there during Mass as well.

One might not ‘want’ to be armed at Mass, but there are times when our ‘wants’ have to defer to the Virtue of Prudence.
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Wow! That is a pretty cool picture! I betcha that there are many people in those churches who feel safer knowing that there are armed men on site!
 
Brendan said:
One might not ‘want’ to be armed at Mass, but there are times when our ‘wants’ have to defer to the Virtue of Prudence.
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And in any case, we should always defer to the wants of the bishops.
 
GEddie said:
Devices designed for ending human life, have NO place on the physical premises where we worship our LORD. Bravo Bishop!
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Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war.

guess I’ll leave my hands, elbows, knees and feet at the door…
 
Stylites said:
And in any case, we should always defer to the wants of the bishops.
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Legally, yes; because the property owners have that right but morally we should not defer to the wants of bishops if those wants conflict with official church teaching and that clearly seems to be the case here.
 
BadKarma said:
Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war.

guess I’ll leave my hands, elbows, knees and feet at the door…
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LOL, Big difference, ya know.

Our human limbs are not designed for killing. We can use them for that, but for most of us it would require a great deal of strengthening and training. our limbs are made for moving around, stomping, clapping, waving, leaping, running, etc.

A gun is designed for one thing only; to tear a deep killing hole in a human being with chunks of hot lead.

Again, big difference.
 
Sir_Knight said:
Legally, yes; because the property owners have that right but morally we should not defer to the wants of bishops if those wants conflict with official church teaching and that clearly seems to be the case here.
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There is no formal church teaching that everybody should be armed at all times.
 
Sir_Knight said:
Legally, yes; because the property owners have that right but morally we should not defer to the wants of bishops if those wants conflict with official church teaching and that clearly seems to be the case here.
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Umm, morally we own the bishops obedience, and I do believe you are not reading that official statement correctly. The statement only said that there can be a duty to defend with arms. Can = may not shall or must, there is no absolute duty or right, as the statement also points out. Therefore since their order does not violate or overstep their authority, morally we owe them are obedience.
 
jilly4ski said:
Umm, morally we own the bishops obedience, and I do believe you are not reading that official statement correctly. The statement only said that there can be a duty to defend with arms. Can = may not shall or must, there is no absolute duty or right, as the statement also points out. Therefore since their order does not violate or overstep their authority, morally we owe them are obedience.
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Quite so. My bishop can rightfully forbid Catholics (or anyone else) from carrying a gun into the churches of his diocese, but he can’t forbid Catholics in Little Rock from carrying a gun into an airport or into a bank or a liquor store. That would overstep his authority.
 
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