La. bishops: No guns in Catholic churches

[Byzman]

I don’t see that you ever answered my question in reply to you: why do you want a gun in a church service to begin with?

I am sorry, I did not really even see that you asked that question, but I will answer you with a simple statement of…for the defense of life of me and my family…I carry everywhere I go, and would like to feel welcome even carrying in a church!

 

[Byzman]

In all fairness, you specified “inside Catholic Churches during Mass or other services”, and then seemed to dismiss shootings in other denominations as “there could be other reasons for that”.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6863421&postcount=44

This happened at a protestant church about 10 miles from my parish:

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html

I would say there is a certain amount of “mass hysteria” involved in the demonization of gun owners.

What are the incidence of a legal conceal/carry gun owners, carrying their legal firearm in church, firing for no reason on other churchgoers?

If you can’t provide that figure, can I flippantly dismiss your concerns as “you have no numbers to justify this, just mass hysteria”?

This guy gets it!

I do not know statistics off hand, but I will say a church of armed parishioners is safer than a church of unarmed parishioners!

 

[Byzman]

Wow, the 1st Amendment Right of free association in action, just as the Bishops in Louisiana have. You have no “right” to impose your presence where it is not wanted, and the good Bishops are only exercising their 1st Amendment Right to forbid you entry to Mass while carrying an idol.

Idol!? What!? Are you serious!? Are you accusing me of false worship!?

 

[smithm29]

So any and all disobedience to a Bishop is a mortal sin! I rather doubt that.

If an inheritor of the authority of the apostles gives you a lawful command, you think that ignoring it is not a mortal sin? So I suppose there’s nothing wrong with Catholic health care providers supporting Obama’s health care plan, in spite of the bishops’ opposition?

 

[Byzman]

If an inheritor of the authority of the apostles gives you a lawful command, you think that ignoring it is not a mortal sin? So I suppose there’s nothing wrong with Catholic health care providers supporting Obama’s health care plan, in spite of the bishops’ opposition?

We can disagree with the Bishops on political issues and still be Catholics in good standing! The issue with the Catholics who supported the flawed health care bill was because of the Abortion issue. When it comes to these matters no Catholic may disagree!

Bishops can be wrong on politics!

 

[Byzman]

This guy gets the point too!

catholicculture.org/commentary/otr.cfm?id=5336

 

[canadianguy1143]

Maybe McCarthy was right after all. When I read the comments that the Bishops are infringing the most sacred rights of all, the right to bear arms, maybe its not a bad idea to make a list of those who are taking the Bishops of Louisiana to task.

I remember the movie, “The Scarlet and the Black” which was about Msgr. O’Flannery hiding Allied Soldiers in Rome while Nazi Germany occupied Rome. The good Msgr said to the Nazi’s, that they think a gun is the answer to every problem and I must confess that this is the impression that is being imparted to me.

I am aghast that somehow the right to bear arms supersedes the right to private ownership. That civil rights somehow trump religious rights. It would be a sin to deliberately carry a concealed gun in a church where they don’t want it permitted.

 

[Byzman]

Maybe McCarthy was right after all. When I read the comments that the Bishops are infringing the most sacred rights of all, the right to bear arms, maybe its not a bad idea to make a list of those who are taking the Bishops of Louisiana to task.

I remember the movie, “The Scarlet and the Black” which was about Msgr. O’Flannery hiding Allied Soldiers in Rome while Nazi Germany occupied Rome. The good Msgr said to the Nazi’s, that they think a gun is the answer to every problem and I must confess that this is the impression that is being imparted to me.

I am aghast that somehow the right to bear arms supersedes the right to private ownership. That civil rights somehow trump religious rights. It would be a sin to deliberately carry a concealed gun in a church where they don’t want it permitted.

I am not saying any of this. I am sorry if I have come off this way to some! I truly believe that the right of the private party comes first. All I am saying is that they, the Bishops, have now established a “criminal protection zone.” In that the criminals now have the upper hand if they were to want to cause harm in a church! The Bishops, by using their rights of private ownership, also in respect to the state not controlling the Church(1st Amendment), are not exercising their freedom in the best judgment!

First of all, why the need for the Bishops to inform the media about their decision. All it did was cause a national scene for the Church! Why not be humble about their decision and only inform the pastors of their churches? It almost seems to me that the Church wanted attention about the matter!

 

[Rascalking]

Maybe McCarthy was right after all. When I read the comments that the Bishops are infringing the most sacred rights of all, the right to bear arms, maybe its not a bad idea to make a list of those who are taking the Bishops of Louisiana to task.

I remember the movie, “The Scarlet and the Black” which was about Msgr. O’Flannery hiding Allied Soldiers in Rome while Nazi Germany occupied Rome. The good Msgr said to the Nazi’s, that they think a gun is the answer to every problem and I must confess that this is the impression that is being imparted to me.

I am aghast that somehow the right to bear arms supersedes the right to private ownership. That civil rights somehow trump religious rights. It would be a sin to deliberately carry a concealed gun in a church where they don’t want it permitted.

Remember what finally liberated Europe and saved the world from Nazis my friend-people with guns.

 

[larkin31]

I am sorry, I did not really even see that you asked that question, but I will answer you with a simple statement of…for the defense of life of me and my family…I carry everywhere I go, and would like to feel welcome even carrying in a church!

Is there never a time that a killing weapon is not on your person if you are in a public or private place?

Would you not like the sanctuary of a “sanctuary”? Or do you worry that you can–fairly likely–be killed anywhere, anytime?

 

[Rascalking]

I am not saying any of this. I am sorry if I have come off this way to some! I truly believe that the right of the private party comes first. All I am saying is that they, the Bishops, have now established a “criminal protection zone.” In that the criminals now have the upper hand if they were to want to cause harm in a church! The Bishops, by using their rights of private ownership, also in respect to the state not controlling the Church(1st Amendment), are not exercising their freedom in the best judgment!

First of all, why the need for the Bishops to inform the media about their decision. All it did was cause a national scene for the Church! Why not be humble about their decision and only inform the pastors of their churches? It almost seems to me that the Church wanted attention about the matter!

Don’t worry my friend. Criminals obey the local laws.They wouldn’t dare bring a gun onto ground where it’s banned!

No, wait-they’re called criminals for a reason…oh yeah.

Well, if anyone does walk into a church where no one is armed, and starts firing at innocent people, asking him poltiely to please stop will surely make him do so.

 

[larkin31]

Don’t worry my friend. Criminals obey the local laws.They wouldn’t dare bring a gun onto ground where it’s banned!

No, wait-they’re called criminals for a reason…oh yeah.

Well, if anyone does walk into a church where no one is armed, and starts firing at innocent people, asking him poltiely to please stop will surely make him do so.

Let’s just have priests pack. That would be ok, right? They are already facing the audience.

 

[Miserys_Fence]

Because sadly, not everyone is safe in churches nowadays. Guns protect the good guys from the bad guys!

I strongly suggest you find another parish, if you feel your life/safety is somehow at risk where you worship now.

Miz

 

[larkin31]

For Byzman:

Is there never a time that a killing weapon is not on your person if you are in a public or private place?

Would you not like the sanctuary of a “sanctuary”? Or do you worry that you can–fairly likely–be killed anywhere, anytime?

 

[Byzman]

Don’t worry my friend. Criminals obey the local laws.They wouldn’t dare bring a gun onto ground where it’s banned!

No, wait-they’re called criminals for a reason…oh yeah.

Well, if anyone does walk into a church where no one is armed, and starts firing at innocent people, asking him poltiely to please stop will surely make him do so.

Wait a sec… you are missing the whole point!..

This stuff would never happen in a holy place of worship!:nope:

 

[Rascalking]

Let’s just have priests pack. That would be ok, right? They are already facing the audience.

Funny you mention that-I know a few priests who own several guns!

Interesting though-what would you do if someone came in and robbed the collection plate?

 

[Byzman]

Let’s just have priests pack. That would be ok, right? They are already facing the audience.

Yeah that would be okay…I dont know if you saw my post earlier but my priest already packs heat!

 

[larkin31]

Funny you mention that-I know a few priests who own several guns!

Interesting though-what would you do if someone came in and robbed the collection plate?

If he carries in church, I hope that he has informed his superiors (the owners of the property).

 

[Byzman]

Is there never a time that a killing weapon is not on your person if you are in a public or private place?

Would you not like the sanctuary of a “sanctuary”? Or do you worry that you can–fairly likely–be killed anywhere, anytime?

Okay since you want me to answer this so bad.

I will say that I pretty much carry anywhere I can. I enjoy doing it too.

I do not worry about being killed anywhere at any time. I like to look at it as having the upper hand on a criminal if he would want to cause harm to me or my family. The weapon, being concealed, is good to have for an element of surprise to an attacker!

 

[larkin31]

Okay since you want me to answer this so bad.

I will say that I pretty much carry anywhere I can. I enjoy doing it too.

I do not worry about being killed anywhere at any time. I like to look at it as having the upper hand on a criminal if he would want to cause harm to me or my family. The weapon, being concealed, is good to have for an element of surprise to an attacker!

I am just trying to understand the motivation to want to bring a weapon to kill into a place that worships Jesus and represents what he stood for and what the RCC stands for. They are even opposed to capital punishment! I think that you would have to be VERY worried about your safety to consider having one there, or just plain-old fixated on the “feel” of having a death tool on you.