La. bishops: No guns in Catholic churches

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Rascalking said:
You, my friend, are the one said “killing”. We, on the other side, are the ones who try to stop such. It’s not really complicated.

I walk around with a loaded handgun. No one is telling me not too (I have a permit). That’s freedom. Someone tells me, “No, you can’t bring it into X”. That’s restrictive. So, I choose to go to another church. There you go.

So, when someone decides to hold you up, you can feel noble and lecture him about guns. When he takes your car keys, maybe if you ask nicely, he’ll let you have a ride home.
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Ha!:rotfl:
 
larkin31 said:
(so we can avoid the personal mockery)?
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I was trying to add a bit of humor, not “mocking” anyone. Not my intention to offend you.

I get the feeling your not renewing your membership in the NRA, huh? 😉

(that’s a joke as well)
 
larkin31 said:
He is showing you that his sense of security is not increased by the knowledge of concealed weapons in a sanctuary with him where children also collect. There is nothing wrong with stating this.
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How is a gun, properly holstered, not safe for children in a church?
 
Byzman said:
How is a gun, properly holstered, not safe for children in a church?
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The gun only adds to a group’s actual safety if it is brandished to thwart a crime. The poster understands this and does not want to encourage the brandishing of additional weapons, thereby increasing the likelihood of additional bullets fired in a crowded space. A gun never fired is no danger to anyone.
 
larkin31 said:
The gun only adds to a group’s actual safety if it is brandished to thwart a crime. The poster understands this and does not want to encourage the brandishing of additional weapons, thereby increasing the likelihood of additional bullets fired in a crowded space. A gun never fired is no danger to anyone.
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Why would bullets start flying in the first place?
 
Rascalking said:
You, my friend, are the one said “killing”. We, on the other side, are the ones who try to stop such. It’s not really complicated. .
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Oh but it is not so simple as that.
  1. The bishops have condemned and prohibited Catholics from carrying guns into a Catholic Church. You are choosing to disobey, becasue you want your freedom?
    2,. If someone starts shooting in Church because he perceives a threat on his own, but it really turns out that it wasn’t a threat, and someone else tries to stop him with his concealed weapon, and then as everyone wants their freedom and has loaded concealed guns in the Church, everyone starts firing at everyone else, how many innocent childrenm how many innocent worshipers will be killed in such a situation?
    This is vigilanteism. You want the freedomw to be a vigilante? You are a bunch of NRA kooks and vigilantes causing turmoil and distress when people only want to have some peace and quiet and be able to pray in the holy sanctuary of a Church.
 
Byzman said:
Why would bullets start flying in the first place?
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The reason does not matter. Do you see his point now, or not? I was only explaining that poster’s point since you did not seem to understand it. The intent of a fired bullet does not matter. All that matters is what damage it does and to whom. Again, a gun never fired is no threat to children at all.
 
larkin31 said:
They add ONLY to the “feeling” of security…
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I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

The odds of someone shooting you in church are about the same as me becoming a supermodel. :rolleyes: Some boys think that playing with grown-up toys will make people think of them as “real men.”

Boys and girls, can we say “phallic symbol” and “compensation?” 😉

Miz
 
What some of us seem to be forgetting is that criminals don’t usually follow rules and laws. Look at the crime rate in DC or London. Since criminals (who, again, just as a reminder) don’t follow rules and laws, they know people are unarmed. Nothing is more fun to them then attacking and holing up people who can’t fight back! It’s the same thing with this gun church ban. If Joe the robber knows you follow the law and don’t carry a gun, are a happy and noble person who wouldn’t even think about fighting to defend your honor/life or your loved ones, then your a prime target!
 
Miserys_Fence said:
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

The odds of someone shooting you in church are about the same as me becoming a supermodel. :rolleyes: Some boys think that playing with grown-up toys will make people think of them as “real men.”

Boys and girls, can we say “phallic symbol” and “compensation?” 😉

Miz
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LOL! Very funny. I’d talk more about this, but this is a family forum.

and hey now- I thought I saw you on the cover of Vogue!?
 
sidbrown said:
You are a bunch of NRA kooks and vigilantes .
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Thanks! I’ve always thought of myself as sort of like Batman.

Name calling was cool when I was in third grade. Never used the word, “kooks” though. Let me write that one down!
 
sidbrown said:
Becasue some NRA vigilante had perceived a danger when none existed.
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I dont know about anyone else, but I was taught from the law that your life or someone’s else life must be in danger of losing it from an attacker, criminal, bad guy, crook, vicious, mean, deadly guy, who is using a weapon choosing to inflict injury before anyone can use lethal force as justified means.

Almost sounds like the catechism!
 
Rascalking said:
Thanks! I’ve always thought of myself as sort of like Batman.

Name calling was cool when I was in third grade. Never used the word, “kooks” though. Let me write that one down!
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Can I be your sidekick, Robin? We can wear NRA patches!
 
Rascalking said:
and hey now- I thought I saw you on the cover of Vogue!?
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No, no, not on the cover! You know that one page where they have the fashion/makeup/hair “don’t ever do this!” section? THAT was me, with the little black rectangle over my eyes… 😃

Miz
 
I’m unclear what the big issue is with those who feel that the good Bishops in Louisiana are infringing on anyone’s rights. They have a 1st Amendment right of free association, and if they choose to not associate with magic talisman clubs to ward off evil, or those who have some sort of uncontrollable compulsion to carry them around all the time, then they have that right. Anyone who doesn’t like them exercising their 1st Amendment rights of free association is free to start their own religion based upon superstition, fear, and hopelessness, and allow magical talismans on their own property, and leave the good Bishops alone. It’s called ‘freedom’, and if anyone has any problem with it then they are free to go live in another country.
 
Stylites said:
I’m unclear what the big issue is with those who feel that the good Bishops in Louisiana are infringing on anyone’s rights. They have a 1st Amendment right of free association, and if they choose to not associate with magic talisman clubs to ward off evil, or those who have some sort of uncontrollable compulsion to carry them around all the time, then they have that right. Anyone who doesn’t like them exercising their 1st Amendment rights of free association is free to start their own religion based upon superstition, fear, and hopelessness, and allow magical talismans on their own property, and leave the good Bishops alone. It’s called ‘freedom’, and if anyone has any problem with it then they are free to go live in another country.
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It is clear that you did not read my posts #20 and #88. Go back and read them and see for yourself that I beleive the Bishops are not exercising their freedom prudently!
 
Rascalking said:
What some of us seem to be forgetting is that criminals don’t usually follow rules and laws…
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We are talking about the Church sanctuary during service. Do you really feel unsafe there? Have you ever wondered if you are paranoid?
 
Rascalking said:
Not really. Have you ever wondered if your naive?
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Yes, I have wondered this. I have no trouble admitting that I have doubts about my own positions from time to time and that I am stubborn and wrong about some things.

But in this specific case, am I unaware of significant numbers of violent crimes being perpetrated during Catholic mass? If I am, I would like to know.
 
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