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Miserys_Fence
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I’m not sure if you’re referring to me, but that’s not what I said. I said you’re trying to compensate for inadequacies in “other areas.”
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Byzman
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I was not referring to anyone in particular, just the general opionion held by some on this thread…I should have thrown in there also…“guns dont belong in a holy place of worship!”
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Byzman
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Hey I am not alone!.. and this really doesnt even concern me here in my state, but yet it still bothers me!
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sidbrown
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Well, I guess the end result of all of this is going to be fewer people going to Church. With so many NRA vigilantes carrying concealed loaded weapons in Church, why risk the lives of our children in an accidental crossfire by these NRA people? And we see here their reaction and response to our concerns about fatal gun injuries in Church.
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Stylites
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Realistically the odds of vigilantes being in a particular Mass are pretty low. Most Christians rightly adhere to the “live by the sword - die by the sword” saying, rather than the “everyone is out to get me so I have to be prepared to kill or maim them first before they kill or maim me” mindset.
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Stylites
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Six people voted to like trusting in themselves or their weapons before trusting in God. No, you are not alone!
I am with you, Byzman, in upholding the 2nd Amendment and with your arguments that concealed carry thwart crime, even the presence of a weapon can prevent serious crime from happening. That is not to say that they have a place in Mass.
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sidbrown
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How did you figure out this statistic?
But even a slight probability that there will be NRA vigiliantes with loaded guns at Mass, ready to shoot at a moment’s notice, is enogh to alarm many people and scare them from attending Mass if their children are going to be shot dead in some sort of a crossfire in Church. And when we express our concerns, the response from the NRA people is: “blah, blah, blah.” Like they really care about the lives of innocent children being gunned down in a shootout in Church.
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Byzman
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Well, I must say it is pretty sad to hear everyone say that they would not want a crossfire(I would not want one either), but instead you guys would rather lay down on your knees becoming defense-less, hoping and praying that you dont get seriously hurt or killed by a raged madman, because the only reason for the start of a crossfire would be because this raged madman came into the church intending to cause serious injury or kill some people and there was someone there carrying a concealed handgun, who could potentially take out the threat!
Guns do belong in church! Guns do belong in the presence of the Eucharist! There is nothing unsafe about a gun. There are only unsafe when a criminal gets his hand on one!
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Stylites
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But not in Louisiana, since you said that you uphold the rights of property owners. Your original statement in post #1 you have backtracked from, I understand, which is good.
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Byzman
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I never said anything like that! …I will state it a little differently to try to make the point I meant…The Church in Louisiana is not allowing people, like us, to practice our 2nd Amendment in their churches! This is a bad judgement call for them. Yes, they have that right to choose so but a bad choice to not allow so!
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larkin31
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Church IS for praying on bended knees.
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jilly4ski
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I am a little confused about the pro gun in church arguments. 
I go to Mass downtown and have never felt in fear of my life. Not only that but I would be more concerned that people would see that there are people carrying weapons into church not knowing that that person has a permit to carry and conceal. (Yes, I know it is “concealed,” but you can’t tell me that a suit coat or jacket won’t flap open and reveal the gun). This would potentially cause people to think there are already dangerous people in church and lead them to dangerous and stupid behavior, like carrying weapons without proper training and permits, because they are trying to protect themselves.
Also why in the world would a priest carry while saying mass? I would imagine that a properly concealed weapon would be almost impossible to draw while he is wearing his vestments, so what would be the point of carrying?
I go to Mass downtown and have never felt in fear of my life. Not only that but I would be more concerned that people would see that there are people carrying weapons into church not knowing that that person has a permit to carry and conceal. (Yes, I know it is “concealed,” but you can’t tell me that a suit coat or jacket won’t flap open and reveal the gun). This would potentially cause people to think there are already dangerous people in church and lead them to dangerous and stupid behavior, like carrying weapons without proper training and permits, because they are trying to protect themselves.
Also why in the world would a priest carry while saying mass? I would imagine that a properly concealed weapon would be almost impossible to draw while he is wearing his vestments, so what would be the point of carrying?
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jenkiedad
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I have seen police officers, including uniformed police officers, at Mass. They were all carrying handguns. Obviously, the uniformed officer’s gun was in plain sight.
Most jurisdictions prohibit officers from not having their guns with them at all times, particularly when they are in uniform.
Is it the intent of the La. bishops to prohibit police officers from attending Mass?
Most jurisdictions prohibit officers from not having their guns with them at all times, particularly when they are in uniform.
Is it the intent of the La. bishops to prohibit police officers from attending Mass?
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sidbrown
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As more and more NRA vigilantes carry loaded guns to Church, I suspect that fewer and fewer people are going to go to Church out of fear for their lives and fear of being shot to death in Church.
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jilly4ski
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This rule only applies to people with carry and conceal permits, and was a response to the LA law which expanded the permits to be valid in churches and places of worship unless the church decides not to allow it. Police officers carrying their guns would be covered under a completely different law, which the bishops did not address.I have seen police officers, including uniformed police officers, at Mass. They were all carrying handguns. Obviously, the uniformed officer’s gun was in plain sight.
Most jurisdictions prohibit officers from not having their guns with them at all times, particularly when they are in uniform.
Is it the intent of the La. bishops to prohibit police officers from attending Mass?
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Byzman
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Yeah…you’re probably right! considering the fact that we are the criminals!
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Stylites
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The Church has survived for 2,000 without gun-toting vigilantes in them. Again, one can approach the Mass with trust and hope, or with angst and hopelessness. The choice is each of ours. To avoid visiting a state merely because its Bishops won’t allow concealed-carry during Mass is to have one’s heart and treasure in what rusts and corrupts.
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Rascalking
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I think this person is kidding. These posts aren’t to be taken seriously.
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Stylites
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What if a Panzer tank were to come crashing through the sacristy wall? What then? You’ll all be glad on that day that I’ve been carrying my loaded bazooka to Mass each Sunday!
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sidbrown
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At last you agree that it is wrong on many counts to bring concealed loaded guns to Church. I am glad to hear that you have changed your mind on this.
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